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Swag Factor (Social Status/Skills Examined)
updated: December 2016 (Restored)
Why Some Guys with Good Looks, Style, Social Freedom are still Underachieving with Women...
This is one of the main reasons that a lot of guys are unsuccessful at getting a lot of top-shelf women. Even guys with pretty good Looks, Style and Social Freedom that REALLY play the numbers game. This is the lesser and more complex 4th (and final) factor.
This is an interesting topic.
A complex one, even though I try to simplify it while covering it from head-to-toe.
This one has taken me over 6 days to write and mull over.
(I even tripped out on ACID to gain further insight. I'm just kidding. Don't believe every word I say.)
This is some of the very best stuff on this entire site. You won't find stuff like this anywhere else. If you feel you've been underachieving, you might want to take 7-10 days to go through this discussion. I don't usually say that, I just think that this subject is really worth understanding 100%.
Unlike most topics where I just yell at you, "~Screen that pussy!@#!, NEXT!! Okay she's DTF, take her to a private place!@!" this one was a challenge even though the conclusion is obvious.
Despite the name "Good Looking Loser," Social Skills (and something I call 'Swag Factor') were not elements that I really lacked. I had above-average Social Skills in 2006 and now I have slighty-above-above-average Social Skills. I'm not that social butterfly guy and I never want to be.
If you are interested in my journey, this tucked-away discussion sheds light on it-
In my early/mid 20s- I was a pretty cool kid that was underachieving in my sex life because I was a total pussy, had a lot of nice guy issues and literally "didn't know" what I was doing in my early 20s. All fairly "fixable" things. I had body image issues as well (early 20s). So, the insights I've collected on this topic don't specifically come from direct experience but rather- HOURS and HOURS of evaluating and organizing personality types among students that succeed quickly, succeed slowly, fail slowly or fail quickly.
The most telling "subjects" were the students that were decent looking, had decent fashion sense and above-average social freedom but [AT BEST] could NEVER score anything above average girls on a consistent basis. Also telling were the guys that had a tremendous amount of social freedom but still could not get laid... ever. Unfortunately, countless numbers of guys in the PUA community had to fall on their face (and not get up) for me to gain insight on this.
I'm here to give an insightful, yet temporarily incomplete answer to "What's Wrong?"
Don't worry, despite the disclaimer, the concepts I talk about are going to be 1000x more relevant, productive and "insightful" than most any other PUA-monkey site where the guys are simply Internet marketers that don't get any hot, wet, oh my God Chris-she's-8.5-years-younger-than-you Venice Beach pussy.
If you are "stuck" and have made the legitimate effort to have above-average looks, style, social freedom AND play the numbers game- this post is for you.
This certainly won't be the last one on this topic either.
Off to theory land... and away we goooo....
Disclaimer
Despite the insane amount of information in this discussion, remember- You DON'T need to be much more than "above-average" with your SWAG FACTOR to succeed at a ridiculously high level. Do not get discouraged. I have devoted ~4 years of my life to sleeping with hot girls, of course- I know all this.
This is some of my very best stuff, I suggest you watch these videos.
Give yourself a whole week to read/watch this discussion.
Some guys, a minority of guys, achieve above-average Looks, Style and Social Freedom but it doesn't translate to an above-average sex life.
They are "stuck" getting average looking girls and only a slightly above-average quantity of them, at best.
I'm going to tell you what the problem is and which guys tend to encounter this.
Since the topic is extensive, in future articles we'll have a little discussion about how to fix it.
If you are familiar with our material (or just have a non-weirdo view) on how to Get Laid, you'll know that the majority of getting laid comes down to 3 things-
Looks and Style can be combined and be called "Sex Appeal."
We take an in-depth look at Looks and Style here-
So if you have above-average "Sex Appeal" and "Social Freedom," and you are willing to play the numbers game (hit on 20+ girls a week), you will have the opportunity to have at least an above-average sex life in both quality and quantity. Generally if a guy with above-average Sex Appeal and Social Freedom hits on 20+ girls a week, he will be in the top 1 or 2% of all men on the face of the earth.
Remember- the average guy doesn't speak to humans he does not know. He just stares at his feet in silence.
With the fundamentals, there is a 4th factor at work-
"Coolness"
It is a very general word.
You know it when you see it but it's not easy to define. I'll give you a 2-critera definition in a second.
Above-average Looks, Style and Social Freedom only translates into an above-average sex life IF you have an above-average level of "Coolness." If people do not perceive you as a cool guy, you will only be able to score with average girls, at best.
Your "Coolness," plays a significant role the in QUALITY of the woman you get and your ability to retain HOT girls as fuckbuddies.
As of January 2013, we haven't totally focused on Coolness because the average guy just needs to get off his ass and work on his Looks, approach anxiety and put on some cooler clothes that communicates he isn't totally sexually-inactive to start getting results.
Swag Factor (Coolness) is
The PUA Community calls this "Social Value".
While I actually I agree with the concept, it only tells half the story.
This is an issue that I didn't have a complete understanding of... until a couple of days ago. I was a pretty cool kid. Once I got social freedom, the top girls could see it and I started to land them. I generally assumed that once a guy got Social Freedom then the HOT pussy would arrive on his doorstep. If it wasn't working, than he needed to put on some Cool clothes or get to the gym and that would finish the job. True for most, but not for some.
Swag Factor (Coolness) is related to Social Freedom, but it's not entirely the same thing.
A Cool guy has Social Freedom; but a Socially Free guy isn't always cool.
Since "Coolness" is vague, it's important to understand- we are talking about Social Coolness.
There's two major elements to Swag Factor.
Social Status is the perception of your relative position in the social hierarchy.
Like Looks, Style and Social Freedom, you will want to have at least above-average Social Status if you want to score top-shelf twat consistently.
That perspective criteria, in addition to Looks and Style (Sex Appeal/Sexual Presence) will make a guy "stand out" and have positive Social Presence.
Social Status (Presence) is SUPER IMPORTANT if you want to fuck and retain the hottest girls. After all, most of them dedicate their young adult years to MAX'ing out their social status. They want to be with a MAN on their level or above them. Superficial or not, if you want to fuck the hottest girls- you NEED to understand this. Just as we profile girls via "screening," and just looking at them- women are going to profile you too. It isn't changing no matter how upset you get about it. Understand it and learn how to use it to your advantage.
Within seconds, based on your overall presentation (appearance, clothing, vibe, age, friends, etc.), women will have or guess the answers to numerous status questions and there will generally be a consensus among her peers.
Below is a very general list based on how HOT sexually-available high status girls think.
It is in no way a comprehensive list and level of importance among criteria will vary from girl to girl.
You certainly DO NOT have to get a definite "YES" to each question to fuck the girl.
But for elite women- you shouldn't get a definite "NO" on any more than about 3 or 4 of these questions, especially in socially competitive cities.
Again, you don't have to have a definite "YES" to all of these questions. You just shouldn't get a definite "NO" to a lot of them.
Chances are, if you if think the answer is "NO," then it's almost certain that the everyone thinks the same.
This is some of my very best stuff, I suggest you watch these videos.
Give yourself a whole week to read/watch this discussion.
When they are sexually available and not looking for a boyfriend-
Adriana's (22/f, Model, Super Cute, Sweetheart) 3 most important questions are-
Adriana says: I literally took 40 minutes to decide on these. But questions 1 and 2 shed light on the whole picture. If he's cool, I hope he likes me too.
Blake's (25/f, Singer/Model, Super Hot, Bitchy/Annoying) 3 most important questions are-
Blake says: A guy is either cool or he isn't. You can tell in the first 30 seconds. I don't get it wrong too often.
In future discussion, we'll talk about how to "be cooler," it is an extensive lifestyle topic.
As you know, techniques and routines (DHVs) do not have a significant effect on your social status/social presence.
Social Skills are your ability to increase or establish your position with the social hierarchy.
While you certainly don't need "elite" social skills, you should be above-average and be able to have and lead a normal conversation with a girl and her friends.
There are two major aspects of Social Skills (Swag Factor/Coolness)-
The measuring stick for "Social Skills," especially how the socially-awkward "authorities" in the PUA community present it, once again- only tells half the story.
The part they focus on is what I call "general small talk," it goes something like this-
after you "create attraction," ask this-
If you can ask those questions and give answers back - then you have Social Skills!
Not exactly.
At best, you have the ability to make the "very general small talk," not bad... but no normal human being is going to confuse that with having great Social Skills.
More importantly- only making very general small talk usually won't suggest that you are a cool guy.
True Social Skills run MUCH deeper. But don't think that you have to have great Social Skills. Like Looks, Style, Social Freedom- above-average will suffice.
What is more important is that you can relate to THE GIRLS YOU WANT TO BANG on socially-valuable subjects.
I have a thing for actresses and models... or actually- just HOT girls. Turns out, so many HOT girls in Los Angeles consider themselves actresses or models. Many of them are FAR from it but their backgrounds/goals/lifestyle are almost always similar.
The story is usually the same-
scroll past this if you don't care, it's entertaining though :)
I made that list in about 30 minutes. There's a ton more specifics I could give you. That's not really the point though.
The point is- I KNOW THESE GIRLS, I KNOW THEM BETTER THAN THEY KNOW THEMSELVES.
It extends so far beyond "general small talk."
Do you see what I mean?
They are my "target audience."
I can relate to them and understand them on a high level that other guys (and even girls) can't.
Just by understanding their reality it communicates I'm part of the "IN CROWD" and I'm probably cooler than 99% of guys because most guys are outsiders. I can easily talk about the stuff they dig, if I want. I'm not clueless if they say "Alexander McQueen," "Coachella," "Spencer Pratt from the Hills," "Retail Therapy," "Showing my Britney," I know exactly what they are talking about.
Some of these girls CLING ON to guys like me for stability and emotional support. They'll spend 6+ months as a fuckbuddy when they know it's not going anywhere (starting mid 2010- I would actually tell them "this isn't going anyway babe" at 2 months) but they would still come over to my place at regular times every week. I'm able to give them a tremendous amount of emotional support. I'm like a big brother... or even a father... who fucks them.
One super hot Greek actress girl, Alexa, literally had me pick the times that I wanted her to come over and fuck/blow me. She enjoyed it obviously, but she "cherished" the post-orgasm talks that we had. She was really cool. Lexy went back to Connecticut just before 2011.
Like actresses/models, I can relate really well with hot fitness girls and high-status rich girls (who wear those stupid sunglasses, aka ALL OF THEM). I've fucked a lot of those girls too.
In the Los Angeles club scene- You are either part of the In-Crowd (Cool guys, Hot girls) or you are NOT. If you aren't but still hit on lots of women, we call you a "pick up artist."
On the flip-side, I don't like hippie/granola girls. I just don't find them attractive, nor do they like obnoxious-looking clearly-unintelligent steroid-head douchebags like myself. I make absolutely no effort to learn about them or get to know them. I can't relate to them. The average hippie guy has a 1000x better chance at scoring with Miss No-Makeup-Out-Of-Shape-High-Sugar-Conspiracy-Theory-I-Don't-Play-The-Social-Competition-Game-Cause-I-Cant-Win-Granola Girl than I do. Sorry, just keeping it real.
Scotty digs Black and Latina girls. He has an excellent read on them and can get them even better than Black or Latino guys.
Even though they may have good Social Freedom, a lot of guys are stuck because they don't have any idea what HOT girls are all about in this stage of their life. For a lot of guys, their "target audience" (in general: HOT girls) are like an "alien" to them. They might as well be from another planet. Even with canned lines and staged routines, it's like they are speaking to an alien life form.
The point is- know your target audience. Know what makes them tick. Know them so well that you are literally a part of their crowd.
"What are you doing... Shopping for shoes or something?" (my line)
They get it. In 20 seconds they know that I'm one of them.
In the video below, I'm talking to this ex-model girl.
There are several points in the video where it's clear that I "understand" her life and communicate that I can relate. It's not so much of a "DHV" thing, it just shows that I'm part of the "in crowd" among her type-
6:15 - I comment that NYU is a prestigious school.
7:10 - I talk about how the NYU (urban, NYC) non-campus college experience is totally different any most universities.
7:26 - I ask her if she was overwhelmed by New York City. (most new NYC girls call their parents every day and cry)
7:35 - I tell her about my experience in the dorms and most girls have no place to put all their clothing. (girls in NYC constantly complain about this)
7:45 - I ask her if some rich guy paid for her condo. (this happens a lot in LA/NY/Miami, rich guys give hot girls rent so they can fuck them)
8:00 - She says that I'm an "LA Guy," which I am. So she has caught my vibe and digs it, "...that's not a bad thing."
8:15 - I go back to the Jersey Shore pop-culture reference and call myself out on begin a douchebag.
10:50 - I tell her to cancel her ride and we'll buy her friend "appetizers." (In LA especially, girls meet up with their friends and only order appetizers because they are cheap and have less calories"
While "relating to" your target audience on their favorite 'high-value' subjects runs pretty deep, the "small talk" (the part that PUA community calls "Social Skills") is pretty basic.
You basically need to be able to lead an average conversation with a cool, confident vibe.
That shows that you are at least- not weird.
Cool guys can make (and lead) basic conversations with other guys on masculine subjects such as sports, money, girls, cars, etc.
Cool guys can make (and lead) basic conversations with hot girls on subjects that relate to the girls lives.
Remember-
Cool Is A Vibe, Not A Resume
Cool is a demeanor, often meaning laid-back but in control. Sometimes called "Chill."
This is communicated through your body language and your ability to BE YOURSELF, just as if you were in the comfort of your own home.
Some guys have heard that being "cool" means you're well-rounded, such as- you've traveled to different cities, you can speak different languages or your have neat hobbies.
It doesn't. Not exactly.
If you have above-average Looks, Style, Social Freedom, Swag Factor and can play the numbers game aggressively- you aren't just "above-average" you are probably top 1-2%. Very few guys can.
Remember- the average guy is overweight (USA), wears nice guy boring clothes, doesn't speak to women and has a 5.5" penis. It doesn't take much to beat him.
I saw something the other day that misrepresented/mistook our stuff, it read-
GLL Says-
"To get the hottest girls, you have to be an elite guy across the board! Makes sense!"
This is false.
You have to have above-average-
... and play the numbers game (hit on 20-30 hot girls a week).
That's the complete formula to get a consistent supply of hot, yummy, happy pussy.
You don't have be to the "total package," you don't have to be the "dream guy" or some sort of "super hero."
You'll have to have certain lifestyle factors together if you want to retain these girls for extended periods of time, but you definitely don't have to be much better than above-average.
With that said- you should strive to be elite. But try to do it for yourself, not for pussy.
Just like you've developed your Looks, Style and Social-Freedom- Swag Factor can be developed.
Homie- Unfortunately, that will be a topic for another time. This article is already 4600+ words deep.
This one slightly gets into it from my experience-
This is some of my very best stuff, I suggest you watch these videos.
Give yourself a whole week to read/watch this discussion.
At ALL nightclubs and almost all bars, the social competition game is in full-effect. The game is most often played by women. It's their "night game."
You know how people say, "She's just out for attention."? It's true. The vast majority of women go to clubs strictly for attention. Regardless if we think that is completely superficial, people have egos and they like to feel good about themselves.
The competition is individual but it can certainly be a team sport too.
Especially at night clubs, girls love being the "hottest girls" in the club. They want the most glances. They want the most free drinks. They want to be the best dressed. If a competing group is getting more attention than their team, they will call the other girls "sluts" and talk about how they are "wearing too much makeup," and make fun of the guys that approach their rivals. They want to take hot pictures to post on Facebook, where they are just a "lil' bit" hotter than their friends. While they seemingly dislike it when undesirable guys approach them, they actually like it. They want stories to tell about "that creepy" guy that tried to dance with them. They love to get asked for their number. They cockblock for each other, until guys with equal or higher status join their group. They want to be invited to the VIP section. They want to drink alcohol from the various tables and leave the guys nothing but the bill. They go to the bathroom to look at themselves and get compliments from other girls on their hair, dress, shoes, etc. Even the least superficial girls get wrapped up in the competition; no girl likes it when another girl is getting all the guys.
The goal is to command the most attention with their sexual presence. The girl(s) that gets the most- wins.
What a brutal awful sport.
It is what it is though. Be glad you are a guy; they are ultimately playing their little game for you... if you have Social Status.
If you want to fuck them- it's important that you understand the behavior of hot club girls. I understand these girls inside-out. I'll even tell them that I use my Social Status to get the same shit that they're after (free drinks, attention, free cigarettes, VIP/table, guys trying to talk to me, etc.). On some nights it's true, on other nights I'm just fucking with them. While that seem likes a "DHV" technique, either way- they believe me and I look the part (douchebag) and they assume that I'm super high status... which ironically- I am if I'm having a good night.
As always, you are free to comment and ask questions.
Since I'm mad busy these days, I sometimes won't be able to answer your questions right away. I'll try my best.
If you have an elaborate or several questions, I suggest you ask in the forum, you'll get a much quicker response in there.
Great article. And I've found that even hot, classy introverted girls who don't compete socially that aggressively (more reclusive types) still love it when they see me in my socially successful mode as opposed to me sitting around with my feet...
Great article. And I've found that even hot, classy introverted girls who don't compete socially that aggressively (more reclusive types) still love it when they see me in my socially successful mode as opposed to me sitting around with my feet up. It's attractive all around. This is a quality essay - well written and edited.
Thanks for this article Chris, I knew it had to do something with this. But what I believe is, that you can't fix this... I think you are born with it or not, you have your place. You may have a chance to fix this during early teens, but after...
Thanks for this article Chris, I knew it had to do something with this. But what I believe is, that you can't fix this... I think you are born with it or not, you have your place. You may have a chance to fix this during early teens, but after that it's too late.
What complicates it more for me is... I don't know what the fuck I want to do with my life job-wise. Until I find out, I'll try to retain my old-fashioned eastern european cute girlfriend.
I can finally relax.
Chris....You might as well shut down the site right now because you are NEVER ever going to write a more detailed,
concise and informative post than this one. You answered more questions & covered areas that most(PUA'S) gloss
over or don't...
Chris....You might as well shut down the site right now because you are NEVER ever going to write a more detailed,
concise and informative post than this one. You answered more questions & covered areas that most(PUA'S) gloss
over or don't even address.
The insight that you offered is beyond stellar. Your definition of swag is totally on point. I have said that to be
successful with women you have to offer them something that someone else can't (genetics/looks,status,
excitement,etc...). If you able to convey to women that you're someone that other women want/desire
you will meet with a lot of success. Also it is important to convey that you're used to being around hot
woman and that your not intimidated by their "hotness". If you come across as someone who is
inexperienced....awkward,stumbling/fumbling on every second word...you will get nowhere.
Chris...you are successful with women because you have mastered all of the skills needed to be a success.
Social freedom,a complete knowledge of the psychology of highly-attractive women,status,looks (genetics)
Reading your various posts I don't think that you realize how exceptional your experience is and that VERY
VERY few guys will ever approach you level. Personally. I am trying to max out my looks (working hard at
the gym) and using style as a way to illicit as much interest as I can.
You speak of being "stuck with average girls".....I would be happy with just that. A starving man appreciates
every bit of food thrown his way...even if it is the smallest crumb.
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arguably "Swag" (social status/vibe) is easier to improve [to an above-average level] than Looks and Social Freedom.
Sometimes it's a long(er)-term project but plenty of ambitious guys...
<strong>Amir.Amir.Amir.
What.Are.You.Talking.About.
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arguably "Swag" (social status/vibe) is easier to improve [to an above-average level] than Looks and Social Freedom.
Sometimes it's a long(er)-term project but plenty of ambitious guys do it all the time. Some become doctors, lawyers, businessmen. While it might not change their 'vibe' in a super cool (top10%) one, it boosts their self esteem, leadership skills, intra-circle status so its reflected in all their interactions. Some guys were fat and get in shape-- it translates to their social status. Some guys wore dorky glasses and clothing... then they lose that shit - people start treating them differently, and slowly they realize they are dorky anymore.
In fact- you have improved yours. A year ago you were sitting in your room trying not to jerk off and couldn't talk to anyone and were wearing severely out-of-date clothing (sorry, im picking on you for a reason). This summer you fucked near 2 handfuls of girls. A few of them were pretty hot.
Are you telling me you aren't a cooler kid now? and didn't make improvements in self esteem/vibe/social skills? Are you saying that other people don't see that??? I can see it myself and I'm on the other side of the world.
I understand the "job" thing. I suffered a temporary drop in self esteem when I quit Law School and had no idea what I was going to do with my life. I tagged 1 girl in the first 5 months after I moved to LA. After I got some insight (Ben Greenfield's Book) and started to apply it, "celebrity personal trainer" my self-esteem went up and the amount of pussy I got went up dramatically (since I had beat AA). Just be glad you don't have a job you fucking hate with no way out... you have options, time and improving self-esteem (that has been in a slump).
Status is often a relative thing. For instance, I'll have status in most nightclubs with hot superficial girls. At a 'rave' (your past or present party scene). I'd look out an out-of-place douchebag, not part of the "In Crowd."
You would learn so many things by being a club promoter, you don't have AA so getting into it wouldn't be hard. Club promo isn't for me, but it's the EXTREME example of "social butterfly" and you are given immediate status and will be around a lot of extroverted people that are considered cool [within that niche].
My 2 cents- You have been in the army where, correct me if I'm wrong- you get talked down to like you are a slave. you learn to follow orders (you are pretty good at following orders btw). This all plays a role in your how you view yourself in comparison to people that appear to have higher status. I'd suggest getting into something where YOU are in charge and looked to for leadership and status. While it's true that your teenage years are the basis for your psychological j3glllopment, its hardly a final product. Just 4 days ago some guy told me that "he'd try" my AA drills but that AA couldn't be significantly reduced because he didn't do it in his teenage years.... bullshit, obviously.
I suggest you make a list of- everything you'd like to be--- if you could.
Don't limit yourself to traditional "jobs" where there is a master-slave relationship. Fuck, I invented my own job (Good Looking Loser), you can do whatever you want if there is a demand for it.
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Amazing. As Always.
Gotta watch the videos later though but the article is amazing. Its funny becaue whats yourt actually describing is something i noticed but never really made clear in my mind. Id have convo's with girls about some really...
Amazing. As Always.
Gotta watch the videos later though but the article is amazing. Its funny becaue whats yourt actually describing is something i noticed but never really made clear in my mind. Id have convo's with girls about some really deep stuff (passion for health or whatever) and we'd hit it off instantly, thats because I UNDERSTAND them. I understand what they do.
In fact, Im gonna think about the types of girls I really wanna focus on, and write down a list of things they would do say or think to get a better idea of their lives to connect better and tag more.
great stuff as always
Great post man, I always knew there was something I needed to improve, I could never put my finger on it. I used to wonder why some of the younger guys would get a lot of attention, especially when they weren't that good looking, and its because...
Great post man, I always knew there was something I needed to improve, I could never put my finger on it. I used to wonder why some of the younger guys would get a lot of attention, especially when they weren't that good looking, and its because some of them had SWAG.
In smaller cities like my home town, people tend to think you are a poser if you dress different or look cool. And for years I would be changing styles to fit different scenes (quite successfully) but when people would diss me for looking cool or turn their nose up to me for being good looking I could never understand why. Then I noticed it was people with average or below-average looks, fashion, style! Then I'd notice the hottest girls in the bar smiling at me or checking me out. This was a sticking point I couldn't fathom. But then a quote I read recently on your website summed everything up for me
"for every average guy and average girl that thinks you're a douchebag, there is a hot chick that wants to fuck you"
I've never looked back.
I didn't think the "Get Hung" guide would have girls eyeing my bulge. It did.
I didn't think that your exercise and diet advice would have girls checking me out. It did.
I DEFINITELY didn't think that your hair-loss prevention would fix my hairline. Not in a billion years. It mother fucking did. You saved me a crazy amount of time, a ton of money, unnecessary pain, and destroyed my #1 source of anxiety. DESTROYED IT.
Kratom is next!
To anyone reading this, follow through, read this material, APPLY this material, and enjoy life.
Thanks again Chris, life would suck without you.
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