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Debate-
I hope she likes me safe 'nonsexual opinion opener' vs. Immediate physical advance (screening)
Does a real man really NEED an opinion opener to convince a girl to speak to him?
I don't think so.
In mid-February Scotty was on Rx Heavy Muscle TV.
Scotty was on the show to discuss his ridiculously aggressive techniques and success with women in the past 4 years after his amateur bodybuilding career when he didn't get too many girls. Scotty ended up in a debate with PUA Jeff Magic about physical dialogue.
Scotty had no prep or had any idea that would be debating issues with anyone. He actually thought this interview was going to be a 5 minute Youtube video or something. He starts yelling at Jeff who has been a "pick up artist" for 10 years and never touched a girl during the day. Physical advances (balls) are the MOST important part of screening and flirting. Guys that don't touch girls DON'T get laid.
The main point (as you will see) is-
Jeff Magic a regular "I hope she likes me" PUA that approaches girls with interesting, playful opinion openers to try and avoid rejection as much as possible. The object is to try to get girls into conversations, get them to like you, then take numbers, then try to go on dates, then maybe sex [several weeks] later - all the while playing 'safe game' by being playful, funny, witty, indirect and nice. This is type of "game" is unproductive, inefficient and comes from a "I hope she likes me" submissive mindset. This is also what I call "Mr. Funny Man" game. These type of guys are safe 'boyfriend material' and generally don't get laid too often. I used to be that guy actually.
Scotty, on the other hand, is an aggressive "scumbag" player that gets REALLY physical with girls in order to screen them for their sexual availability. He gets them IN or OUT. No opinion openers, transitioning, what do I do now?, does she want sex?, hour long text-threads, witty phone conservations and nice dinners. Scotty can get a girlfriend if he wants, but that only crosses his mind AFTER he gets laid.
The show is mainly for fun, neither Scotty or Jeff really got a chance to get IN-DEPTH about what they do and what works. Also, to be fair to Jeff- what girls do/feel IN THE MOMENT is way different than what they do when asked a "what if..." question that they get to think about and answer based on "trying not to look like a slut".
You guys probably already understand that though.
Also, what I want to you see is- there's two guys here, both decent looking. Scotty plays to WIN, Jeff plays NOT TO LOSE. Scotty gets laid a lot (I KNOW THIS) while Jeff is probably "working on" girls. It is literally not possible to move quickly with safe game (opinion openers, funny man routines). How do I know? I used to run this 'safe' game junk. I'd be 'working on' girls that weren't sexually available in the first place and that's why the results are inconsistent at best. Safe game is ALWAYS an uphill battle. Direct screening IS NOT.
I'm not saying that Jeff doesn't Get Laid (some PUAs never get ANY pussy), Jeff probably does. I'm sure he talks to chicks and he's decent looking (wears a AWFUL coat to try and have a conversation piece- WEAK.). But he doesn't Get Laid as much as Scotty AND he doesn't bang better looking chicks. Very few hot chicks who get "hit on" with Jeff's safe game will think, "Wow, this guy means business!" Safe game has a ceiling. Screening game DOES NOT.
Scotty or Jeff the "Magical Wizard"?
Scotty vs. PUA Jeff Magic (RxMuscle TV) Part 1/4 from Good Looking Loser on Vimeo.
Part 2
Scotty vs. PUA Jeff Magic (RxMuscle TV) Part 2/4 from Good Looking Loser on Vimeo.
Part 3
Scotty vs. PUA Jeff Magic (RxMuscle TV) Part 3/4 from Good Looking Loser on Vimeo.
Part 4
Scotty vs. PUA Jeff Magic (RxMuscle TV) Part 4/4 from Good Looking Loser on Vimeo.
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Nice clips.
Watching clip 3 and 4 will probably give you the info that you need.
Jeff Magic comes off like a slippery dude, whereas Scotty comes across as a straight shooter and not at all invested in trying to get a particular response from girls.
Goddamn that Jeff Magic seems like a fucking tool. Worst part is that he probably makes good money with plain bullshit.
Another point I felt was it also reflected the polarity which you want in terms of responses from women. The black one probably got a little scared with the aggressiveness of Scotty, but the blue one seemed extremely attracted. In case of Jeff,...
Another point I felt was it also reflected the polarity which you want in terms of responses from women. The black one probably got a little scared with the aggressiveness of Scotty, but the blue one seemed extremely attracted. In case of Jeff, both really did not go anywhere.
That was a funny show. That guy in black was funny, he knew straight away that Jeff magic was fake. Scotty was good, real physical with that girl in black. He straight away held her hand moved her about. She never let go, until questioned. I...
That was a funny show. That guy in black was funny, he knew straight away that Jeff magic was fake. Scotty was good, real physical with that girl in black. He straight away held her hand moved her about. She never let go, until questioned. I think she was into scotty, just embarrassed to admit it.
Scotty made a good point about locking eyes first before doing anything physical. Like the eye contact was the opener.
The girl in blue was definitely into him she was giggling like a school girl.
Keep it up good looking losers.
I think Jeff gets laid... no where near as much as Scotty though.
haha, yeah the white jacket is no bueno
it's good that you saw these videos since you've used to study a lot of this mainstream PU theory. it's weak stuff. you'll eventually shed...
I think Jeff gets laid... no where near as much as Scotty though.
haha, yeah the white jacket is no bueno
it's good that you saw these videos since you've used to study a lot of this mainstream PU theory. it's weak stuff. you'll eventually shed it all and get laid a ton
Yeah, I'm glad you can tell... the show doesn't show HOW aggressive Scotty is. After the eye-contact 'high five' Scotty grabs their ass. haha
haha Scotty def. doesn't care about responses... chicks think he's either a CREEP or SUPER COOL
I'm almost surprised that chicks didn't say, "yeah I'd talk to Jeff, he seems nice"
they didn't like him because he came off like a complete dork before he 'approached' them
To be fair to Jeff- it's so hard to tell "what's better" on this show since girls (or the guys) aren't in the moment. His stuff 'works' but it's not REAL MAN behavior (handshake games, I have to guess your race now!!, etc.). Jeff probably gets...
To be fair to Jeff- it's so hard to tell "what's better" on this show since girls (or the guys) aren't in the moment. His stuff 'works' but it's not REAL MAN behavior (handshake games, I have to guess your race now!!, etc.). Jeff probably gets laid, but not like Scotty. The whole 'speed-dating game' and advice is such a low level stuff.
I don't want to come off ripping Jeff as a person (you guys can do that haha), he probably helps a lot of guys that are terrified of chicks. In fact, I'm sure he does. He's not an elite player though- he's a dating coach. I'm sure he gets more chicks than before he started... in the end, he's a social guy that's largely 'boyfriend material'. He's NO WHERE close to Scotty with chicks though.
yeah, that's a good point- the eye contact is the opener. The high five comes next.
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