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Most guys in the Good Looking Loser community have a pretty good idea of how to read girls and find out which girls are DTF and which are not. Finding out [and knowing how to find out] which girls are sexually available is key to Getting Laid on a regular basis. Most guys here don't waste their time spitting game or trying to entertain unavailable girls. Even still, this discussion is something that can be a reminder or may be insightful and cut a lot of junk out of your brain that keeps your from being aggressive.
There is a term in the pick up artist/seduction community called "IOIs," known as indicators of interest.
Here's a post from a guy that wants to learn all of the IOIs so he'll know when he can "get further" with girls-
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Supposedly when you observe or get an IOI from a girl- it means she's into you.
That's true for the most part.
But there's a problem with how the mainstream community discusses and stresses the IOI's.
It's suggested or implied that you should look for (or wait) for these 'indicators of interest' to figure out if a girl is attracted to you or is sexually available. Only after getting a handful of IOI's should you assume you have a 'green light' to become physical and touch the girl. Anything besides lightly touching the girl, before observing IOI's, is "WRONG" and she'll immediately become un-attracted to you. It is suggested that- you need to abide by a women's timetable and make sure you have non-verbal signs that you are allowed to proceed.
Not only is this WRONG but it discourages guys from proactive and showing the leadership they need to Get Laid on the same day/night and that chicks are attracted to. It also makes guys constantly second guess themselves and encourages them to "play it safe," in order to avoid doing anything that the chick might not be ready for. Subscribing to this type of mindset will usually kill you at some point even if your initial interaction goes well. I've seen a lot of reports where the guy had the girl on his bed and he didn't know if he should kiss her because she didn't give him an PUA IOI.
Instead of being on constantly alert or patrolling for IOI's- simply TOUCH the girl.
If she lets you, that's all you need to know. Touching a girl, holding her hand in 30 seconds is worth 10,000 words.
If she doesn't, go talk to the next girl that is worth screening.
Simply touching a girl and touching her some more will let you know everything you need to know.
Once you feel that she's in the DTF category, look to move her somewhere more private and TURN IT UP physically.
Your whole interaction should just foreplay anyway.
So, rather than waiting for "signs," make them happen. Force the girl get IN or OUT. Very few guys do this, most community guys are busy trying to get IN with the girl with their jokes, stories and magic tricks.
Be aggressive- There is no losing a girl that you haven't fucked. You can't lose something that you didn't have in the first place.
If you are physically screening girls, you don't need to see or get any PUA IOI's.
If you physically screen girls (and they pass)- there's no guessing "does she like me?" "can I get her number?" "should I call her?" "does she really want to sleep with me or just want to be my friend?"
If you want to develop the skills to bang girls within 20 minutes, you shouldn't be looking or waiting for IOIs. You have to move fast, if the girl is sexually available and into you, she'll follow.
You want to Get Laid, not get PUA IOI's.
If you get them, cool.
If not, simple fact that girl is letting touch her is the only IOI you need. Run with that... all the way to your bedroom.
If you have any questions or comment, please them below-
I trusted IOI's in the beginning, but now I am starting to bump into girls that give classical IOI's then don't want to escalate and flakes or go away. I hope this will make me realize that I cannot be dependent on IOI's. Touching saves so much time.
So I went out to talk to maybe 10 chicks yesterday (mall game). I kino-ed two of them by holding their hand beyond what I'm usually comfortable with, entering their personal space by sitting right next to them, leaning into their face when it's...
So I went out to talk to maybe 10 chicks yesterday (mall game). I kino-ed two of them by holding their hand beyond what I'm usually comfortable with, entering their personal space by sitting right next to them, leaning into their face when it's too loud, incidental kinos (brushing of arms, legs, etc.). They were receptive, so they were probably not afraid of physical touch. I tried to move one to a quieter area to step it up physically, and we got to the parking lot (it's 12 a.m. and cold), but I froze up, acted all Beta and shit talking about the weather or random shit like the economy, and did not push hard enough for her to get into my car or just suddenly kissing her. So she just went and meet her friends instead. I didn't (couldn't) stop her. Sad thing is that she was *probably* DTF and attracted (I think it doesn't get any clearer if she says, without me prompting, that I'm cute).
How would you have handled that situation, Chris?
P.S. Note this is just 15 minutes into meeting her. The other girl receptive to kino had her boyfriend coming back after 10 minutes, so I just left (poor finish, not even a #-close), and I had no idea why she would be all friendly like that when she had a boyfriend.
well good job!
to read this website and go approach 10 chicks aggressively is really good man
this is what I think happened (correct me if I'm wrong, obviously I don't know you well enough)... you got further than you thought you were with this...
well good job!
to read this website and go approach 10 chicks aggressively is really good man
this is what I think happened (correct me if I'm wrong, obviously I don't know you well enough)... you got further than you thought you were with this chick (from the mall to the parking lot, nice!), and that alone made you revert to some old 'safe-game' mindset. I'd bet $100 that if and when this happens again, you'll know what to do and how to feel. This stuff is part of the process.. you need to see different stuff and not capitalize, to realize that you could have... 10/10 times in the future you probably will say something like "hey its cold here, damn ff I'm gonna sit in my car and turn up the heat... you cold? hop in the front."
if i had to guess, I think you froze up mainly cause you didn't have a gameplan, rather than that you were being a pussy.. you might have literally not known what to do. I say this cause it takes a lot of balls and leadership to pull a girl from a mall on a random night. so good job. there may have been a part of you that thought "damn.. maybe she's not ready to get in my car" (safe-game mindset).. but I would nearly promise you IF you have been physical with her and she lets you... she digs you and is just letting you lead the way.
The key is 'you leading the way'. Even if she digs you, if she is made to feel like she needs to actively make ANY part of the decision, "hey you want to go to my car?" she'll back off. but it doesn't mean she doesn't want to... she just doesn't want to have an active role in making it happen cause that makes her feel like a slut (90% of girls)
note: the subjects you talked about with her weren't "bad," it just the lack of physical stuff and leading the way beyond the parking lot (cause you prob. didnt have a gameplan). its never the words. I once fingered this girl with a boyfriend in San Diego while we were talking about state capitals. I once undressed this girl in her friend's apartment while we were talking about global warming.. these aren't ideal sexy subjects but its doesn't matter if shes already horny.
you did 100% of stuff "right"... you just needed to keep going
from the guys we work with... every 1-3 months they have an experience like this (get further than they thought, but shut it down because they didnt have a gameplan or they revert to old behavior).. but it's def not a negative thing.. this is a breakout moment and im willing to bet you'll pull it off in the future.
a gameplan is key because it makes things "smooth"
girls will think that you're smooth and spontaneous... but you just had a gameplan
remember- its never the words
tell, dont ask
"hey im cold.. come sit with me, im gonna turn the heat on"
"hop in the passenger seat real quick, were not gonna leave, its too cold standing here like this"
you just need a false pretense, it doesnt have to be good.. it just can't usually be "lets go fuck in my car"
i once said "i have a new GPS system, come see it!" and the girl pretended like she was excited and followed me
note: they are excited, they want an excuse to be alone with you, just give them the excuse so they dont feel like a slut
how do I know this? you screened them, by touching them.. no IOIs necessary haha
hope this made sense!
im going to write up about having a repeatable 'gameplan'
what they should be and why its a big deal
"you got further than you thought you were with this chick (from the mall to the parking lot, nice!), and that alone made you revert to some old âsafe-gameâ mindset."
Chris, it's almost like you can read my mind. I haven't actually read a...
"you got further than you thought you were with this chick (from the mall to the parking lot, nice!), and that alone made you revert to some old âsafe-gameâ mindset."
Chris, it's almost like you can read my mind. I haven't actually read a lot of community materials, so actually GLL is one of the first few materials that I actually study deeply. I know that screening game is advanced game, but I'm excited to try it out anyway. Guess I read one too many articles about touching them to find out if they're sexually-available on GLL. I did just that, and I'm trying to do that every time consistently now -- been scaring quite a lot of chicks away. They literally run away sometimes, maybe having strangers approaching them is already rare enough (much less a very forward one), and probably not because I'm unattractive or smelly or uninteresting, but when I finally meet some rare ones who actually let me touch them in broad daylight, I literally did not know what to do next. Like, okay if I touch them, they back away, they're not available; if I touch them, and they let me, they're probably available. "What next if they're available" wasn't something I was prepared for. I knew I had to take them away to somewhere private and escalate hard. I just didn't know how that is done.
I have actually read about giving bad excuses just to get them into the car/apartment, but when it came down to it, I just couldn't do it. Maybe because it was rather rare that I got a girl that far, so I pussied out and gave myself tons of excuses for not leading the way (e.g. she'll think it's corny, she might be taken aback by the idea, bla bla bla). Pathetic, actually. "It's cold out here, let's get in the car" is actually very good, and I didn't even think about it at all.
I actually love the blueprint articles on GLL (you wrote one on getting the girl to park at your house, telling her to come in for 10 minutes to watch a YouTube video, walking nearby to get ice-cream). Looking forward to more materials on "she let you touch her, what next" articles! Thanks for taking your time to respond, Chris, really appreciate it. I've been enjoying the materials lately (literally 3 fresh articles in like 5 days), keep them coming!
thanks man! yup more is on the way on a regular basis!
this 'screening' thing is only 'advanced' because we often have kill a lot of community mentalities 'i hope she likes me' 'mr funny man' 'dont be reactive' 'be smooth' 'get every girl,...
thanks man! yup more is on the way on a regular basis!
this 'screening' thing is only 'advanced' because we often have kill a lot of community mentalities 'i hope she likes me' 'mr funny man' 'dont be reactive' 'be smooth' 'get every girl, every girl is available 24/7' 'say this.. and she'll laugh'... that kinda BS
when you think about it, this 'screening' thing is actually much easier to learn and do... its a just the pre-existing BS that makes it hard sometimes.. i mean it took me nearly 2 years to do it and figure out what i was doing and why it seems to work
you are better at this than you think, I don't want you getting in your own way and turning positives into negatives, that is a killer.. i def. know that from experience
Is it possible for a guy to be too hot for a girl? If you've read my latest post on my log, I encountered a girl who looked into my eyes every time I we passed by each other, but didn't seem receptive at all and walked off when I went to screen...
Is it possible for a guy to be too hot for a girl? If you've read my latest post on my log, I encountered a girl who looked into my eyes every time I we passed by each other, but didn't seem receptive at all and walked off when I went to screen her. Can we be hot enough to get looks from girls, but too hot for them to handle?
I didn't think the "Get Hung" guide would have girls eyeing my bulge. It did.
I didn't think that your exercise and diet advice would have girls checking me out. It did.
I DEFINITELY didn't think that your hair-loss prevention would fix my hairline. Not in a billion years. It mother fucking did. You saved me a crazy amount of time, a ton of money, unnecessary pain, and destroyed my #1 source of anxiety. DESTROYED IT.
Kratom is next!
To anyone reading this, follow through, read this material, APPLY this material, and enjoy life.
Thanks again Chris, life would suck without you.
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