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Here's the formula that we've outlined since day 1-
In short, that means if you "MAX out" (at least better than average) your looks, style and social freedom, you'll be on your way to a significant quantity of quality pussy.
There's a lot that goes into "social freedom," including confidence, willingness to take 'risks' and overall 'cool' vibe.
We'll break social freedom down some other time. You probably understand it pretty well though.
This discussion might be old news to people, but it might make some of the newer guys "get it," and give some perspective and direction when it comes the what you should be shooting for.
"Looks," is largely but not entirely, a genetic thing, which includes your facial structure, overall complexion, height. Other aspects are teeth, hair and grooming. It also includes your physical fitness or body composition, specifically- a lack of body fat.
Sometimes that discourages people.
Some guys feel that these characteristics cannot be changed or improved.
To some extent- they are correct.
To some extent- they are not.
I probably don't need to go into which can be significantly improved (body fat) and which have more of a ceiling (height).
Though a generalization, I like to view genetics as a starting point rather than an end point.
Try to view it that way.
It is my opinion, based on my own experience and from the experience of over 100+ others that Scotty and I have seen in-person, that you simply need to be a "7" (better than average) in the looks department to score top-shelf pussy from cold approach. This is assuming that your style and social freedom are in the 9 or 10 range.
Looks and Style = Sex Appeal
"Style," is certainly not a genetic thing. It can be significantly improved in a single day. Style is your overall 'look' which includes your clothing, but is mainly a presentation of how all of it comes together.
In short- I generally recommend an "edgy" style. Even if you are good looking.
An edgy style communicate all the right things- I get laid, I'm not a nice guy, I'm cool, I select who I roll with, Chick dig me, I'm not afraid to stand out and not fit in, etc.
It doesn't take much to have an edgier style than 90% of guys. Especially in smaller towns where every guy wears the same generic clothing and has no accessories.
It is my opinion, based on my own experience and from the experience of over 100+ others that Scotty and I have seen in-person, that you simply need to be a "7" (better than average) in the style department to score top-shelf pussy from cold approach. This is assuming that you looks and social freedom are in the 9 or 10 range.
Like looks and social freedom- I don't suggest trying to be a "7," MAX that shit out.
For you academic guys out there, we can make the formula even more simple.
Sex Appeal + Social Freedom = Mad Pussy
Your looks and style combine to create your overall sex appeal.
That is what we are shooting for- SEX APPEAL.
Good looking guys can get laid.
Well styled guys can get laid.
Sexy guys WILL get laid.
The next time you are debating whether to buy a pair of jeans, a shirt or wonder whether you need to focus on gaining muscle or losing weight, think to yourself-
Will this improve my sex appeal?
If the answer is "yes," that is the direction you need to take.
If the answer is "maybe," ask us.
If the answer is "no," then you have your answer too.
Physical attraction (sex appeal) is super important for banging girls on the SAME day and night.
(sex appeal' contributes significantly to 'status', perception is reality)
It is my opinion that most guys, no matter what their genetic starting point can improve their sex appeal at least +2-3, sometimes it can be as high as 4.
An average looking guy (5) with average style (5) can become a 7 or 8 if a significant effort with made to improve his sex appeal.
A better than average looking guy (7) with better than average style (7) can at least appear as an elite 9 if a significant effort is made to improve his sex appeal. If he efficiently and productively plays the numbers, he will score top-shelf pussy. Guaranteed.
The majority of guys I know that consistently bang top-shelf pussy are simply slightly better / better than average looking that have elite social freedom.
A below average looking guy (4) with poor style (4) probably has the most to gain. If he collects himself, he can be above-average. And Like I said, above-average is good enough for top-shelf pussy if you have a social freedom.
Given my thoughts on the subject, it would appear that I believe that nearly any guy has the potential to tag top-shelf pussy. While this can be true- very few guys are motivated enough to MAX out their sex appeal and social freedom. They only focus on one and continue to underachieve.
* above average, at best- generally average.
We want to MAX them all out.
But if you have above-average for all - you'll tag mad pussy.
In most cases- if you are above average at 2 of them and not below average at any of them- you have the potential to score some top-shelf pussy once in a while, depending on the social competition.
For example- if you have average social freedom, but you have high sex appeal, you can also tag top-shelf women sometimes. If you have average sex appeal, but you have high social freedom, you can also tag top-shelf women once in a while.
Remember, so long as you have your social freedom MAX'ed out and effectively and efficiently play the numbers, all you need to have is above average (7 or 8) sex appeal to bang at least some top-shelf women.
Good Looking? Slightly. Looking Good? Yes.
While not everyone can be "good looking," most guys can look good.
Given that most guys don't have a clue on how to "look good," it shouldn't be that hard to stand out with your sex appeal.
"Looking good," with an edgy style significantly contributes to your sex appeal.
So if you aren't "good looking," try to make yourself good looking as possible.
At the same time, make the effort to "look good" and you'll have more sex appeal than 90% of guys.
When it comes down to it- Sex Appeal + Social Freedom = Mad Pussy
That was always the formula. Some guys might need to get back to the basics.
I certainly had to after 18 months with in the pick up community.
No where in the formula is "what you say" or "game" that shit is simply just details and manifestations of social freedom.
A quick note.
If you have sex appeal, you don't have to make a conscious attempt at creating a sexual vibe.
This will vary from person-to-person.
A lot of community dorks seem to think that every interaction requires a "sexual vibe," while that is somewhat true, if you ALREADY have sex appeal, you don't have to push the sexual vibe to have the girl to consider you a masculine guy or a sexual option.
You don't have to STARE into the girl's eyes the entire time or squint at her over and over when she's talking. Enough with the casanova seduction bullshit.
Just be sexy and lead the way. That will go a lot further.
"if you ALREADY have sex appeal, you donât have to push the sexual vibe to have the girl to consider you a masculine guy or a sexual option"
Absolutely. IMO after you get sexual vibe down, you can act laidback and girls will wonder why you...
"if you ALREADY have sex appeal, you donât have to push the sexual vibe to have the girl to consider you a masculine guy or a sexual option"
Absolutely. IMO after you get sexual vibe down, you can act laidback and girls will wonder why you aren't escalating on them -> challenge -> attraction.
I found that I can talk to girls without much touching/staring now and they will still be interested or even more interested.
"Better than average" is definitely something to keep in mind. Ever since I've started making personal improvements I find myself analyzing everyday people, and once you start getting an understanding of what's attractive, it's amazing just how...
"Better than average" is definitely something to keep in mind. Ever since I've started making personal improvements I find myself analyzing everyday people, and once you start getting an understanding of what's attractive, it's amazing just how many clueless dudes you see walking around. I used to take a bit of comfort knowing that I wasn't alone out there in my mediocrity, now I see them as the "average" I try to be better than.
Another good read.
yeah you are correct.
There's a bit of misunderstanding on "kino" out there in terms of what its "supposed to do"
Some guys think the point of touching a girl is to prove to her that you are a "sexual" guy (sexual vibe), so they do it...
yeah you are correct.
There's a bit of misunderstanding on "kino" out there in terms of what its "supposed to do"
Some guys think the point of touching a girl is to prove to her that you are a "sexual" guy (sexual vibe), so they do it over-and-over while never really taking the interaction anywhere. It looks really and seems very bizarre.
The girl is ready to leave the place (or sit down somewhere private) with a guy, and he is still touching her elbow over and over and telling stories. This might seem strange but even I did this for a while and a lot of other guys are "stuck" here.
After touching a girl a few times, I look to GRAB her hand and get MOVING rather than prove im a sexual guy haha. In the day videos- it was to grab coffee (something I otherwise wouldn't do). Mostly, its a to a private place.
yeah you got it. Shooting for perfection is fine, but keeping in mind that 'better than average' (and playing the numbers game) can give guys ridiculous results.
Again a solid post bro. Couldn't agree more-maximizing looks is a must for all that are looking to get max results
I'm dependent on you guys when it comes to style, I fuck more girls than my friends solely because of numbers game (approaching daytime 5 girls a day) and social freedom (balls). My friends have non-edgy style like me at the moment, so asking...
I'm dependent on you guys when it comes to style, I fuck more girls than my friends solely because of numbers game (approaching daytime 5 girls a day) and social freedom (balls). My friends have non-edgy style like me at the moment, so asking them for advice leads me nowhere. I hate british fashion (they guys who get the women here) so much with those guys with skinny trousers (and skinny legs), shaved sides and elvis hairstyle and Vneck almost to the belly button.
Hey John-- good question, I'm going to go into this at a much deeper level fairly soon.
Check this out (3rd post down), specifically on the 2-3guys that I KNOW that counter it and bag pretty hot chicks IN LA (where the competition is fierce)....
Hey John-- good question, I'm going to go into this at a much deeper level fairly soon.
Check this out (3rd post down), specifically on the 2-3guys that I KNOW that counter it and bag pretty hot chicks IN LA (where the competition is fierce). (at night too)
http://goodlookingloser.com/forums/index.php?topic=393.msg2819#msg2819
I've been playing phone tag with 1 of them and I'm going to see if he has more specific recommendations, or if he added anything
I'm also going to grab some of those 'elevator' shoes, believe it or not, so I can show people I own them. I'd think the elevator shoes all "work" the same (i mean they just make you taller) but get ones that are fashionable is important too. (I think Shoes are slightly overrated, girls can't even see them at night)
those suggestions alone will significantly help
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I didn't think that your exercise and diet advice would have girls checking me out. It did.
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