TOPIC: Last Phase of Fat Loss

This discussion is predicated on an unproven assumption:

Being more physically attractive means you'll get more physically attractive girls

Dashed, you think the reason the lay qualities are lower is because the guys around here aren't in as good shape as they should be?

WHY!?

What I'm saying is what GLL Chris says: once you surpass about 7.5/10, girls on all levels of attractiveness are no longer discounting you for looks, and it comes down primarily to availability. I spent a while convinced online is an exception because girls can be super picky there, and used this as a backdoor to continue down the "lonesome bodybuilder" route (regardless of how well I improved my physique, I focused too much on it and avoided actually trying to get laid). But why did I assume that? What is that based on?

You're assuming if a girl can pick between two guys, one who's 7.5 and one who's 9.5, she's more likely to pick the 9.5, even more so if she's a 9.5 herself. I'm not convinced of that at all. Especially if the 9.5 guy gives off even the slightest hint of being a loser gym rat (and you can't say that's not a risk in reaching that 9.5 level, it's a very real risk).

Too much jabber lol.

Old me had worse pics which equals less dates and less lays with lower quality girls.

New me has better pics which equals more dates and more lays with higher quality girls.

Yes I'm a bit better at dates and my killer instinct is better but for online dating is almost entirely about your pictures unless you're awkward as fuck.

People on this forum post their pics and people will comment claiming they're good looking and have good pics when they're clearly not. That's a problem cause they think online dating is easy and then they post their pics and don't get results. Then they come back asking why they didnt get results ("I was told these pics were good, photofeeler told me as well). It took me multiple years of training, taking pictures, and working out my style to find success. Some people just don't want to work that hard and they fall off the forum and it's natural. Im not discouraging anyone, if they want it bad enough they'll ignore me or take the advice with a grain of salt and will eventually see results.

If your pics are good then use them. Let me know how you do. If it works then I was wrong and congrats you got laid that's awesome.

I just hope you don't ignore opportunities just because your number 1 priority is geting jacked. Approach girls here and there at the gym and continue online dating. Thats exactly what I did.

This discussion is predicated on an unproven assumption:

Being more physically attractive means you'll get more physically attractive girls

Dashed, you think the reason the lay qualities are lower is because the guys around here aren't in as good shape as they should be?

WHY!?

Make a tinder account with magic Fox' pics lol. You'll get the most matches youve ever gotten. If you want better results get better pictures.

I think its clearly proven.. This is silly.

Xen wrote: I got a question... If getting laid is such a chore and your mind is not in it, why bother?

Not everyone has the same need for sex and intimacy. Why not use your time and energy on things you like and enjoy.

I hate top 40 music and the bar scene. Id never force myself into doing it. My time spent doing things I enjoy.

I have a buddy who gets laid once a year in random short term flings. He has a great life otherwise and is totally satisfied.

Dont try to be someone you are not...

That's what I tried after college. I just forgot about it and did a bunch of creative stuff. Three years in I was a very angry, bitter person who was in complete denial about how lonely he was.

For me at least, it's more complicated. Doing what I "enjoy" in practice means following the path of least resistance, i.e. immersing myself in what I'm already good at (right now, mostly computer programming). The days where I end up doing that and spend all day on my computer, I end up feeling like shit. The best days I've had are the days after I accomplish something related to this goal of getting laid. The couple weeks after finishing the AA program were definitely top 5 most memorable of all times.

It's not that I don't want it, I'm just being lazy and staying in my comfort zone. I always enjoy life more when I force myself out of my comfort zone.

I don't necessarily agree with "don't try to be someone you're not". What if you don't like who you are? Changing is an option. It's not easy, but it's a fucking rollercoaster, and makes for a way more interesting life.

Dashedhopes wrote: Make a tinder account with magic Fox' pics lol. You'll get the most matches youve ever gotten. If you want better results get better pictures.

I think its clearly proven.. This is silly.

That's relevant if you add plastic surgery to mimic Daniel Fox's face to your gym routine. (See, you're still cherry picking variables. Experiments need a control)

And as I'm sure you know, girls match with guys on Tinder for lots of reasons other than wanting to fuck them. I want pussy, not matches.

sweatervest wrote:

Xen wrote: I got a question... If getting laid is such a chore and your mind is not in it, why bother?

Not everyone has the same need for sex and intimacy. Why not use your time and energy on things you like and enjoy.

I hate top 40 music and the bar scene. Id never force myself into doing it. My time spent doing things I enjoy.

I have a buddy who gets laid once a year in random short term flings. He has a great life otherwise and is totally satisfied.

Dont try to be someone you are not...

That's what I tried after college. I just forgot about it and did a bunch of creative stuff. Three years in I was a very angry, bitter person who was in complete denial about how lonely he was.

For me at least, it's more complicated. Doing what I "enjoy" in practice means following the path of least resistance, i.e. immersing myself in what I'm already good at (right now, mostly computer programming). The days where I end up doing that and spend all day on my computer, I end up feeling like shit. The best days I've had are the days after I accomplish something related to this goal of getting laid. The couple weeks after finishing the AA program were definitely top 5 most memorable of all times.

It's not that I don't want it, I'm just being lazy and staying in my comfort zone. I always enjoy life more when I force myself out of my comfort zone.

I don't necessarily agree with "don't try to be someone you're not". What if you don't like who you are? Changing is an option. It's not easy, but it's a fucking rollercoaster, and makes for a way more interesting life.

Have you had a long term girlfriend before? If you are lonely this is the way to go. Causal sex does not help with loneliness.

I know its not pupular in these parts to have a steady girl but you need to experience both ends of the spectrum to decide what fits your needs and personality better...LTR or ONS/ casual

For me personally I would rather have a steady relationship with a loving women who has minimal drama (no such thing as zero drama) then to have sex with new girls every week. The whole hook up, causal thing is basically the interview process to find the right girl to fill the role of MLTR.

For online dating I absolutely agree with Sweater- you cannot bat above your pics.

However, day game is the exception. If I recall all of the girls I've ever fucked, the only times I've ever batted above my SMV, with the exception of one instance was during day game.

Chris' theory on all girls giving you the time of day when you're 7.5+ absolutely applies to day game. Online is good for consistent above average/good pussy. Day game is a huge grind, but you end up with the creme de la creme wagyu beef A grade pussy.

Dashedhopes wrote:

This discussion is predicated on an unproven assumption:

Being more physically attractive means you'll get more physically attractive girls

Dashed, you think the reason the lay qualities are lower is because the guys around here aren't in as good shape as they should be?

WHY!?

Make a tinder account with magic Fox' pics lol. You'll get the most matches youve ever gotten. If you want better results get better pictures.

I think its clearly proven.. This is silly.

I made an account with andreadenver pics (no shirtless ones) and had over 100 matches in a day. Messaged them all saying hey sexy and over half of them replied. Pics are everything.

Lol u bitches stop stealing my "Girls used to hate when I pulled their hair" line

Yep pics are everything. I've experimented so many times with my pics, and have slowly been "upgrading" them (and my own appearance/style) over the last 2 years.

I went from ZERO matches (like, I literally didn't get a single match and ended up uninstalling Tinder) to now consistently at least getting pussy from it a few times a week.

Everybody here knows you need good pics for online. The question is why a lot of guys don't go out and TAKE GOOD PICTURES - instead coming on the forums to complain, "How come I'm not getting any matches with my shitty bathroom selfies?"

Dslr pics with lightroom.

I don’t know who you guys are arguing with but it isn’t me. I don’t even know how this got started.

When did I say pics aren’t everything? Who here said they aren’t?

Go back and read the first thing I posted in response to Dashed. It’s all there and I should have stopped responding after that. If people (including him) aren’t going to read what I wrote why am I even writing?

I even linked the relevant GLL articles.

I’ve been getting dates with very hot girls from Tinder since 3 years ago. That was right after I started working out. No abs and no size. I didn’t fuck any of the really hot ones, but once I met them it was no longer about my Tinder profile. The profile did its job (getting them to meet me).

I got no matches for months at first, then I improved my pics and started getting dates. Dates with girls on all levels (except maybe supermodel 9.5+ unicorn level). I crossed the threshold.

This “must have male model looks/physique to bang hot girls” theory is refuted every day. I’ve known plenty of hot girls and the guys they fuck. They’re super picky, but not about being ultra-elite in looks. It’s more about (perceived) status/coolness (looking good helps with that). Almost every discussion this site’s founder has given is about this. Being a B+ in looks, style and social freedom is way way better than being an A++ in looks and a C in one of the other two. They all compete for your time.

“Yeah but male models get way more matches”. No shit. I’m amazed you guys think I’m saying something this proves wrong. Of course male models have an easier time. Not only are they in elite shape, they have gorgeous faces, those pictures are taken by professionals, the clothing is put together by professionals, they probably even have professional makeup and hair artists. Those pics likely cost $1000 a piece, those guys get paid to look good (meaning they have 8+ hours per day to dedicate to it), and they won the genetic lottery. What any of you think that has to do with a guy here and how defined his abs are is beyond me.

Models also have status because they’re famous. Their pictures alone communicate this (because of aforementioned $10,000 crews behind the camera).

But saying it’s impossible (or even very rare) for anyone else to get hot girls from online is wrong. It is RIDICULOUS anyone thinks my current physique isn’t good enough for online dating.

If any of you think my physique today isn’t good enough for Tinder to get 8+ girls, you’re wrong, because real world data (not baseless theory). My physique 3 years ago was good enough. Regardless of fucking them or not, I got them on a date (or two) so I passed their looks threshold.

3 years ago.

Do I need to post a pic of my skinnyfat ass from 2015 to drive this home?

You all have severe body dysmorphia (just like I do) and spend too much time in the gym around other guys equally obsessed with the male body (just like I do). Stop projecting it onto women. They probably make fun of you when they find out you say this shit.

Inb4 someone takes this and warps it into “sweatervest is giving up on his body!” in a fucking thread about me getting to 6% body fat by eating <800 calories per day on top of fasted cardio. You guys think physique is so super important, where’s your fat loss thread and protein sparing modified fast?

killtheinnerloser wrote: Everybody here knows you need good pics for online. The question is why a lot of guys don't go out and TAKE GOOD PICTURES - instead coming on the forums to complain, "How come I'm not getting any matches with my shitty bathroom selfies?"

EXACTLY!!

And why do they care more about what other dudes on the internet think about their pictures than what the actual girls on Tinder think?

There is one source of truth for whether or not your pictures will get you laid on Tinder: Tinder.

Guys who are serious about getting laid online take tons of pictures, trying out all sorts of different things, and test them until they find ones that work (they also spend a shitload of time actually using Tinder). Just like I said in that other thread, they invest time and effort. I've found multiple photo combos that worked fine and I still can't begin to tell you what it is exactly that makes a good Tinder photo. I never will.