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Terminator wrote: That's pretty interesting. It may simply be too much eggs. They aren't the only source of protein you know I eat 5 eggs a day and maintain a steady protein intake of 300 grams per day. Only includes one protein shake too. I eat a lot of meat.
300 grams is a lot of protein, considering what you said.
Do you happen to have a log of your diet? I'll be very interested to see that.
200g lean beef
200g cottage cheese
= about 170 g protein
+ protein from supplements ~50g
+ protein from carb sources ~50g
That's 270g of protein.
Thikron wrote: There comes a point at which eating more protein does not produce an anabolic response in your body and it is a waste of your money to keep eating it beyond that point.
If we look at well-conducted studies that are without flaws and show no sign of bias by being funded by supplement companies, the highest amount of protein that has been found to produce an anabolic response is 1.8g/kg. Most studies in fact report lower numbers than this - around 1.3g/kg. These studies include both elite and novice bodybuilders in both bulking and cutting phases, with both high and low training volumes. You cannot get better results by eating 2.2g of protein per kg of bodyweight than you would get eating 1.8g. 2.2g was once recommended, but our understanding has moved on since those days.
You're forgetting that there are a lot more benefits from a higher protein intake than anabolic response. Increased satiety, taste etc. To maximize the anabolic impulse from a meal a guy my size who is on gear needs around 5 grams of leucine per meal according to Dr. Layne Norton's research, which is achieved by consuming ~50g of protein. Since I'm eating 6 meals, that neatly amounts to 300 grams.
Of course, if you're a natural athlete not looking to compete, there's probably not much use going over 1.4g per kg when bulking unless for the other reasons I stated.
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Do you know what your cholesterol levels were prior to starting the egg-heavy diet? It would be interesting to note the change (is it possible it was even higher to begin with?). Cholesterol tends to rise when your body is inflamed and lots of grains/sugar can cause inflammation. Also, I'm no doctor but I keep hearing the total cholesterol levels are not important, it's the ratio. Still, 25 eggs is a lot haha!
Excalibur, I've read about that too. There are actually different kinds of LDL particles.
article talks about that, and more generally how some people's cholesterol rises on low-carb diets.
is an interesting relevant article too. I try to trace this stuff back to actual studies (and read the method/materials to make sure it's not an observational study) before accepting it as well-supported.
I use to be on a social networking site called Bodyspace thru Bodybuilding.com I was on it back in 2009. I was kind of the Myspace for people wanting to get fit at the time. I was afraid of the whole eggs thing too. So I emailed 2 guy's who had pretty good physiques. I emailed them and here was there response:
I recently bought the latest issue of Muscle & Fitness magazine. It has a program to follow for someone wanting to build 10 pounds of muscle over a 4 week period. It is ideally for someone who is 180lbs. I'm 175lbs, and the diet said to eat 3 whole eggs and 3 egg whites a day. I keep hearing different things about whole eggs. Some say that the yolk is where most of the protein is and others say that it has too much cholesterol and that it is bad. Which one is true? Another question, Is it best to eat egg whites as a hard boiled egg and remove the yolk once cooked or should I use a funnel to drain the egg white?
The whole egg thing is so controversial and misunderstood. Whole Eggs are the most complete protein out of any food. They provide 100% of essential amino acids your body needs to build muscle. Egg whites on the other hand give you around 92% of those amino acids. Whole eggs are great! The only issue with them is the calories they contain. It all depends on how many calories your burning in a day. Eggs are great protein and also a good source of essential fats like Omega 3 for example. As far as the cholesterol is concerned, there is a substance in egg yolks called phosphatyle choline. This nutrient disolves cholesterol, so much to point that it will offset the cholesterol in the egg yolk so that isn't a problem. Whole eggs actually reduce the blood cholesterol in alot of people. The only problem with eating lots of whole eggs is you can rack up the calories really fast which may lead to fat gain. I preffer to scramble 2-3 whole eggs with 3-4 egg whites when I have them. I dont hard boil them I just crack the shell in half and filter out the whites with the the shell halves. Hope this helps you out!
Re: Whole eggs vs. Egg whites
Ok, so I wouldn't follow those plans religiously. M&F is a great magazine, but just use their plans as a guide. I personally have 9 eggs, and take out 8 yolks, usually 2x a day because it's easy for me. But, since you're 175, I'd say 6 eggs total, remove 5 yolks. The yolks are good and bad at the same time. They contain the most fat and cholesterol, however, they have many beneficial qualitites. So you do want to get some yolks in. You will want to remove the yolks by using either a spoon or when you crack the egg by transferring it between the 2 shell pieces until you are left with just egg. Hope that helps bro.
If your gonna eat a High fat diet your carbs need to be low especially if your eating 25 eggs a day!!!. If you eat high carb and high fat your cholesterol is gonna be fuck. Also 25 eggs is ALOT too much of anything can be bad cut your egg consumption in half drop your carbs too 100 grams of net carbs or less and report back.
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@Elgin: that's very interesting! I already knew that high fat/high carb is not the way to go if you want to keep yourself lean, but I didn't know it could also mess with your chol levels. To this day, I'm eating ~450 grams a day, which might be too much, considering all the fat I'm getting from butter and eggs.
I want to put on some weight, but I guess I'll have to rethink my diet. I'll work on it and post it later for your opinions.
So, it's a success! And how did I do that? I lowered the fat in my diet, keeping the same carb intake.
- I went from having 6 full eggs a day, to 8 egg whites and 2 yolks
- I cut nut consumption in half (I take this and raisins with my oatmeal).
- No butter and oil at all! All meat and eggs were cooked in a pan, with just a bit of water
- I started buying brown bread from a brand that had the lowest saturated fat content possible. The bread I was eating before this had, as I found out, too much palm butter in it, which is loaded in saturated fat (more than pig butter, as I read!). I eat plenty of bread a day, so no wonder my chol levels went up so high.
So that's it. It was like you said, Elgin. I'll have to keep the high carb/low fat ratio for bulking, low carb/high fat for fat burning.
I tested this with my doc and 6 FULL EGGS DAILY was fine. I eat a shit ton of omega 3's (salmon, fish oil, nuts) and MCTs so that lowers the LDL ratio a bit too. Yolks have choline vit d and high cholesterol levels (with a good ratio) give you more gains
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