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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 14:06 #287088

I'm not talking about just strength but ACTUAL Muscle mass. Let's say for example someone has been training for a number of years and can only put on 5 pounds of muscle in a year and then gets sick, stops lifting or loses mass from a cut. Would it take another year just to get those 5 pounds of muscle back or would it happen much faster if they're diet and training are on point.

Also another important question is based on what I've seen after the first 3 years of lifting you can only gain like 5-6 pounds of muscle a year. I've been lifting on and off since 13 but didn't even eat enough calories to grow until like 10th grade. I'm currently 6'2 170 pounds at around 14% body fat so I'll probably weigh in the 150's or 160's at single digit body fat. Would that mean that since I've lifted since 13 I can only gain like 5 pounds of muscle a year at this skinny ass weight or would I still be able to get noob gains since I started training properly about 5 months ago? Didn't even realize I was basically training for strength my whole life thinking every time my lifts got higher I was gaining muscle, maybe a little but not as much as I thought.

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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 14:23 #287089

It's real as the nuclei that are responsible for synthesizing muscle become pretty much permanently ingrained in the muscle once activated.
Beginner gains are the first 10 lb or so as your muscles are accustomed to the weight. Since you've been lifting this long, I can't really see any beginner gains happening.

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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 15:23 #287092

Yes you'll regain the muscle/strength a lot faster than however long it took you to get it.

Not sure what you're saying about not gaining as much muscle as you could while you were gaining strength. There's a direct correlation between gaining strength and gaining muscle. If you got stronger on a certain lift you gained muscle - assuming your form/technique stayed consistent (e.g. not going from full range of motion to 3/4 range of motion)

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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 18:41 #287101

It's real. After a layoff the muscles will grow back super quick provided nutrition and training are on point.

5lbs per year is a lot of fkking muscle, you should be happy if you can gain that much.
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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 19:33 #287105

So basically I'm fucked and it's going to take 4+ years just to get to a lean 175 and still look skinny?

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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 20:16 #287108

Andrew Hicks wrote: So basically I'm fucked and it's going to take 4+ years just to get to a lean 175 and still look skinny?


Doesn't matter how long you've been lifting, if you're still that small you've got plenty of noob gains to be made. You need to just get your training and nutrition on point, you can't expect to keep doing the same thing and suddenly start making progress. Also, even if it took you 4 years, so what? Would you rather just quit and still be 150 lbs after 4 years?
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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 20:50 #287112

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Muscle memory is undeniable. I lifted weights for 8-10 years but due to serious injuries I was out of the gym for over 6 months. Within 1 month of returning I managed to gain back 75% of the lost muscle.

I now have different priorities in my life but thanks to muscle memory I can maintain my ideal physique in under 2 hours per week. It is like passive income. It is hard to get the ball rolling but once you do, you can practically set it and forget it.
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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 21:55 #287115

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Andrew Hicks wrote: So basically I'm fucked and it's going to take 4+ years just to get to a lean 175 and still look skinny?


Doesn't matter how long you've been lifting, if you're still that small you've got plenty of noob gains to be made. You need to just get your training and nutrition on point, you can't expect to keep doing the same thing and suddenly start making progress. Also, even if it took you 4 years, so what? Would you rather just quit and still be 150 lbs after 4 years?

There is no way I'm quitting I'm just confused because it would make sense to only gain 5 pounds of muscle in a year if I was near my max let's say I was ripped at 6'2 195 that would make sense but to gain 5 pounds in a year with my body currently 170 at about 14% would be ridiculous. So terminator you're saying that since I'm still so small I should be able to get some solid noob gains still? My lifting and diet are in check these days right now just cutting until I'm under 10%.

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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 21:57 #287116

Heres an interesting phenomenon: Muscle memory from steroids is also a thing.

The growth of nuclei in muscle cells from taking steroids will exist for many years after you stop taking the drugs.

Example) Someones natural limit is 170 lbs. They use steroids to get to 190 lbs. Then they stop the drugs and maybe even stop working out for whatever reason, they will now be able to get to 190 lbs naturally ( with putting in the required effort).
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Is muscle memory real? 17 Jul 2017 21:57 #287117

casp10 wrote: Muscle memory is undeniable. I lifted weights for 8-10 years but due to serious injuries I was out of the gym for over 6 months. Within 1 month of returning I managed to gain back 75% of the lost muscle.

I now have different priorities in my life but thanks to muscle memory I can maintain my ideal physique in under 2 hours per week. It is like passive income. It is hard to get the ball rolling but once you do, you can practically set it and forget it.

Do you think you got all that muscle back or just 75% in total? Or that it took you only a month to get back the majority and then got the rest after the first month?

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Is muscle memory real? 19 Jul 2017 14:28 #287211

I'm curious to see what dc7 thinks since his advice is always solid too

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Is muscle memory real? 19 Jul 2017 17:39 #287217

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Muscle memory recovery is at least 2x the speed it was originally gained assuming you are nourished, sleeping enough, stress/hormones are in check etc.

Beginners gains are not limited to total beginners. Someone who is quad dominant can easily neglect hamstrings and glutes. Especially of they aren't doing deadlifts, this also means alot of potential mass in the spinal erectors.

Lats are the largest muscle in the upper body but everyone is benching to build a big chest. And Bench doesn't even work chest in a Full ROM. Only cross overs/flys with cables or bands, or fly machine, provide resistance over the full ROM. Those working lats only do pull downs, and pull ups are by far superior. The direction of the force makes all the difference.

With bis, tris, delts it's far too easy to overload the weight, get sloppy, and put most of the stress on the joints and not the muscle.

Another thing is the guys working heavy every workout or doing 12 drop sets. Thry are getting no where.

This describes just about everyone in the gym. Many small things can unlock relatively easy gains.
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