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Do a lean bulk with some tren and test with a clean diet and then come back here and try and tell me that steroids fucks up your look Jimmy. You just needed a cleaner diet and an AI for the water retention and you wouldn't have encountered such problems. Trust me I experienced the same thing when I did a deca dbol test cycle and gained like 35 lbs. Face went moon mode and I gained a lot of fat. That is attributed solely to the ridiculous amount of calories I was eating when I didn't need that much to gain quality weight, and the type of gear I was on made me hold like 8 lbs of water. Just diet smarter and plan out your cycle and ancillaries and serms and shit to help you battle sides so you can avoid this. Also, when your on a low carb diet, make sure you carb refeed every once in a while or else yes your metabolism will hit the shitter. I believe that is one thing that should be elaborated on in the get ripped section is the importance of a carb refeed every week or 2 weeks to kickstart your metabolism. I know some guys on this board have told me they have been following the cutting diet strictly and literally have had no carbs for months and their muscle just withered away.
I think that overall, women like lean men over even big muscular guys that are cut.
I think pretty much any guy would love to have the Greg Plitt/Lazar Angelov body, however, it's extremely difficult for most people to have good size and be super cut.. it just doesn't happen for most unless they're on some shit.
Size with moderate definition > No size + Super definition imo
"Body fat attractiveness had a bell-shaped curve. The most attractive men had 12 percent body fat."
It's a shame that the link in the Business Insider article doesn't actually go to the 'evidence' - but it does also say in the article in Business Insider that "The researchers found that a man's waist size is more important than how masculine his face is, when it comes to attractiveness and good immune systems."
Sorry, but what do they mean by "attractiveness" EXACTLY?
It also goes on to to say "Twenty-nine women in the fertile stage of their menstrual cycle (meaning they were more receptive to sexual cues, and more responsive to masculinity) rated pictures of 69 young white males of all body sizes by their attractiveness, masculinity, and body fat."
tbh, getting a paltry 29 girls who are 'looking for a mate and on their reproductive cycle' to rate a meagre 69 (did they really pick 69...?!?) blokes and rate them is hardly the basis for a scientific thesis or paper... you'd be hard pressed to use those kinds of numbers and score above a "C" for a diploma paper.
...and the results around body fat percentage was a bell shaped curve... so what? Everything has a bell shaped curve... gaussian rules dictate such... Even the shape and size of bell ends will have a bell shaped curve for goodness sake.
(I'm not having a go at you Tbone btw )...I'm just having a go at the 'headline' that comes from this sort of 'science' and 'evidence' and it really fucks me off, coz it's faux science and faux evidence and it isn't properly thought out...and even if it is properly thought out it isn't properly reported...it's generally (just like the Soy stuff all over the internet) reported for the sake of getting a headline and the people that report it don't give a shit whether there's any substance to it or not.
"The researchers found that a man's waist size is more important than how masculine his face is, when it comes to attractiveness and good immune systems."
My experience of meeting women (very recently even as it goes, having dropped just over a stone (c6-7kgs) over the last 3-4 months) is that it is EXACTLY my face that they notice first not my waist size. How is this? Because quite often I'm sat down with my waist hidden by a table (as in a bar or club situation) and they therefore clock my face first on account of the fact that they can't really see anything else of me. And these days they clearly like what they see far more than they did 3 months ago. It's obvious, and I notice it and I love it. My face has lost loads of fat and it is looking the best it has in a long long time. I am getting double-takes off hot girls that I wasn't 3-4 months ago. And this is because they see my face and they see that it isn't encased in flubber.
Maybe I'm at 12%bf and that's the reason and I'm talking out my ass and the science is 'right'... but tbh, I'm a good 2% under that I reckon if not a smidge into single figures and I can categorically say, that so far, with every single %age drop in bf, I've been getting more and more attention from hotter and hotter women.
I guess the fact is, that if you drop bf then yes, your waistline reduces and so does the flab around your face...but it's your face that women look at FIRST... then they check the rest of you out IF they haven't been frightened off by the face.
I'm still heading for 7.5-8% bf - I'm certain that I'll really get what I want then I am sure.
Just as a footnote. There is no panacea of a single bf %age to entice all women anyway. Life is a bell shaped curve. 12% bf will attract a bell shaped curve of women as will 8%... personally though I think if I'm at around 8% I'll be able have MY pick of that bell shaped curve
I've been 240 lbs jacked out of my mind but bloated and I got no attention from girls really. Was probably like 18% bodyfat or something. I'm 9% bodyfat now at 200-205 lbs and girls are all over me. Some girls even suggest I get into male stripping. My facial features are so much more appealing now it is insane. Chicks I wouldn't have gotten at 240, that I am fucking now at 205, actually tell me they can't believe I hooked up with them because I am "out of their league." And these chicks are like 8/10's and 9/10's. I still have size on me though so I think that makes a huge difference because I am 99.9% sure I'm still bigger than any other 20 year old dude that these chicks have ever slept with. I have 17 inch arms at under 10% bodyfat so I feel like aside from the possibility of losing a couple more % bodyfat, I am on the threshold of what is the most appealing body to women. Eat clen, tren hard!
I have 17 inch arms at under 10% bodyfat so I feel like aside from the possibility of losing a couple more % bodyfat, I am on the threshold of what is the most appealing body to women. Eat clen, tren hard!
Dude - I've seen your pics. I would have thought your arms are 18" or more.
So I was tested by a helath check about 2 years ago and was at 14% but I looked more like the guy at 20% in those pics, but then again I'm 43 years old, however my skin on my face looks more aged the lower my bf goes,
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