TOPIC: Is it me or is it her?

So I went out with the girl on Friday. She seemed receptive to my touch. We played pool, but found out I smoked which seemed a big turn off (invited friends since she was there with friends and my friends smoked outside and took a drag before I went in..) thought they would group up with us but they just went off and played darts.. But she still wanted to hang out (even after her friends went home) . I first met her at some bar where her friend was playing music and just talked with her most the time just us.

She was the one that found the pool hall where we ended up playing. And she let me touch her alot. But then went in for the kiss after the game we won and got rejected. Also told her about the time I was in jail and that might of urned her off too.

Usuly pretty honest on dates cause don't like to do the pua style of playing games. Just upfront if asked.

She was a medical consultant. So I Could See why she wasn't into the smoking. I asked her early on if it was a deal breaker and she said yes. So I figured it was over bUT she wanted to still go to the pool hall... she also didn't drink which suuuuuucked.

Texted her and she says she would be down to meet up again but more in a friend's way.. don't think I did anything wrong except for the fact I'm more the best shape yet.. I've gotten down to 187 from 215 but still got fat to lose..

So I'm wondering if she's a boyfriend chaser (cause she did say she got out of an 11 year relationship that was long distance for a while and started at 17.) Or I just wasn't physically hot enough..

Cause if it the physical thing. I should probably wait while before moving to other chicks cause
I want to be above average physically at least before I keep downing myself everytime a chicks not into me enough to have sex with me.

I get numbers when I go out, all night clubs, but they just don't turn into anything. It feels like I'm good looking but not enough for them to sleep with me. Just sucks. Cause I've worked hard up to this point in trying to lose wieght and even battle my psychological anxiety and it's still not getting me anywhere.

Maybe I'm just venting.. and in the wrong part of the forum.

There's literally no way to know why she wasn't down, even if you were to ask her.

However, I can tell you that a lot of girls are VERY grossed out by smoking. They'll probably never tell you that's why they left, but rest assured it could be a significant factor.

I've gone out to hit on girls during the day reeking of cigarette smoke, and I got some of my worst results ever.

I'd recommend switching to vaping. Smelling like smoke doesn't matter as much at bars, but on dates and stuff it can be a deal breaker

Yeah smoke alot. But before a date I try to carry a vape but that night I left it in the car cause I was running really late. Was supposed to be there around 10 but got there at 11ish. (There was reslly no set time but i dod miss her friend preform) Usually spritz cologne and use a vape when I'm out.
But I was spending most my time cleaning my house and car just in case it got that far.. trying to make sure my logistics were in good shape, all during and after work.
But yeah I know that's got to be true cause actually most the girls I get numbers from or groups I bring back to the pad ... is from the smoking area.

I probably smell like smoke all the time, breath n all. Thatd be a good business... something that completely masks the smell of smoke..

Man smoking is hard to kick.

thechangeup wrote: So I went out with the girl on Friday. She seemed receptive to my touch. We played pool, but found out I smoked which seemed a big turn off (invited friends since she was there with friends and my friends smoked outside and took a drag before I went in..) thought they would group up with us but they just went off and played darts.. But she still wanted to hang out (even after her friends went home) . I first met her at some bar where her friend was playing music and just talked with her most the time just us.

She was the one that found the pool hall where we ended up playing. And she let me touch her alot. But then went in for the kiss after the game we won and got rejected. Also told her about the time I was in jail and that might of urned her off too.

Usuly pretty honest on dates cause don't like to do the pua style of playing games. Just upfront if asked.

She was a medical consultant. So I Could See why she wasn't into the smoking. I asked her early on if it was a deal breaker and she said yes. So I figured it was over bUT she wanted to still go to the pool hall... she also didn't drink which suuuuuucked.

Texted her and she says she would be down to meet up again but more in a friend's way.. don't think I did anything wrong except for the fact I'm more the best shape yet.. I've gotten down to 187 from 215 but still got fat to lose..

So I'm wondering if she's a boyfriend chaser (cause she did say she got out of an 11 year relationship that was long distance for a while and started at 17.) Or I just wasn't physically hot enough..

Cause if it the physical thing. I should probably wait while before moving to other chicks cause
I want to be above average physically at least before I keep downing myself everytime a chicks not into me enough to have sex with me.

I get numbers when I go out, all night clubs, but they just don't turn into anything. It feels like I'm good looking but not enough for them to sleep with me. Just sucks. Cause I've worked hard up to this point in trying to lose wieght and even battle my psychological anxiety and it's still not getting me anywhere.

Maybe I'm just venting.. and in the wrong part of the forum.

Her interest level may have not been too high to begin with as she invited her friends out to the pool hall too

I'm telling you right now that if she is with friends, she is more than likely just not that interested. I had a similar scenario happened and just made the best of it

When she brings friends to your date or invites you with her friends there, she is essentially saying, "you're not interesting enough for me" and so she brings her friends to your 1 on 1 date.

If you're ever in that situation leave or hit on her friends in front of her, get their numbers, and leave like a boss. Fuck these bitches that devalue you, they're not worth your time nor respect.

Yeah the pool hall thing was after her friends left. They were there for just the show and had to drive up nort that night. Told her I was good, so she wanted to see me prove it. But you guys are probably right all the same. Think she mightve just not have been that interested and wanted someone to just hang with..

This is something I really struggled with when I moved. Where I grew up everyone smoked

Then I moved to a middle class neighbourhood where nobody smokes unless theyre shit faced drunk and only then its only sometimes. Literally hard headed for 4+ years because it was ingrained into me that smoking isnt a big deal

Its a huge fuckin deal breaker for some people. And after quitting like 9 or 10 times I've been done for good for about 8 months and I can see why its such a huge deal. That shit aint obvious when youre a full time smoker but you can smell that shit 2 blocks away when someones having a smoke.

And if you smoke a lot you legit REEK no matter how much cologne you put on. I never realized this as a smoker because I was immune to the smell. I used to blame my looks and shit too but it was nothing to do with that

And I thought people who went out to bars were fuckin cool mostly smoked etc... nah at least not here. You gotta kick the habit if you want chicks. I did it mostly for health reasons, so tired of the smokers cough, and it made me look older and my skin look gray

I look a decent bit better and that happens about a month after quitting. Skin looks healthier, your blood vessels are no longer constricted and you look a bit more alive

I'd reccomend it man took me years and ditching a lot of friends but now I can go out and drink without smoking if I want. You just have to have a good set of reasons for quitting (check out quit smoking hypnosis on youtube and meditate to that if youre serious about it)

Should also mention my erections are a lot better after quitting (pm for pics jk fag) and I FEEL legitimately better and healthier than ever. Dont underestimate it after a month or two if youre a young guy they bounce back can be major if you smoke half a pack a pack a day and quit cold turkey

I dont think I could ever go back at this point. Actually tried having one the other day just to reward myself and I fuckin hated it.. Cigars are ok but cigs taste like fucking ass and ash tray

Hell yeah the smoking is obvious to the rest of us. It smells on your clothes, car, breath, hair, apartment. Everything, and it's fucking gross! Also, it's a low class habit that's typically done by people working in factories and service industry. You're automatically putting yourself into those categories.

But don't stop chasing women. Your hot enough provided you're not aiming way outside of your class. Just keep trying to improve, but keep hitting on chicks and try to fuck them. It's a numbers game.

I got to give you prop's rapitup for kicking the habit. Ill check that hypnosis viseo out. started in Japan on an internship at 21 where everyone and I mean everyone smoked.. it's one of my biggest regrets, cause before really that never touched a cigarette. Went from 0 to a whole pack a day just cause of wanting to fit in. Wish I had this site at that time would of killed it without having to bend to social pressures.

Think the vape route is pronably my best bet at the moment. Question for BIB, wha's the nicotine level you have on your vape. I need to kick this not just for girls but for myself. I notice I can't run as hard or go as hard at the gym cause I get winded so fast. Need to make a pact on quitting I hate how much this has a control on me.

And Win big, I'll still hit on girls when I'm at the club and online. Those are really the only places I can at the moment. Still have a lot of AA and SA. So day game is kinda of hard. But i uave moments i can push through in those kind of atmosphere.This was actually the first meet up in a while.. it's crazy how many numbers that just turn in to duds. Just got to get back up..

I use 3mg because I smoked an average of 6 cigarettes a day.

Vaping will solve your endurance problems. It won't wind you like cigarettes will

Yeah ima have to go way higher I smoked about a pack a day.. now I smoke blacks but im sure its still about the same. so maybe 9 mg or the next closest up to that.