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I would but I do not believe anything good could happen if I post a picture of my face related to my private life (GLL). Don't want to make myself public like you or DC7.
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Lay Count before GLL (September 2015): 1
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@Shanhai haha dude I know all about getting pissed at PUA stuff. I luckily never fell for it but damn was I close. I guess I fell for the mainstream "menshealth.com" funny guy/nice guy form of PUA (if you can call it that) and so I get really pissed when I see that kind of stuff now, especially when it comes from girls, who I can't tell if they actually think that's what they're attracted to or if it's like their own form of screening to see what guys follow orders from them to try to get in their pants.
@Wood At first I thought, "I don't know, I've had a different experience online" but I guess what's important is you're specifically talking about "quantity vs. quality". I'm curious what you mean by that exactly. You've talked about this some before (and debated it with others like BIB), but does "quality" mean hotness (like being 8+/10), or something else?
For me, and maybe this depends on location (I'm in LA), the most obvious trend I've seen online is a close correlation between douchiness and number of matches. I've honestly thought that if I just get over my adversity to being douchy (left over from previous nice guy era) and push it even further I'll do even better. Right now I have the douchiest picture I've ever taken of myself (it's my journal thread
, shirtless sunglasses pic from Jun. 17 post) and I've never gotten so many matches. As a more meaningful metric, it's looking like I can comfortably get 1-2 girls out on dates per week (already had two this week, two more possibilities for this weekend, and I ignored several girls who wanted to meet up to go for better ones), though it's only been a couple weeks so far. Getting hot 8+/10 girls is rare but has happened (it's mostly 5-7/10 girls though).
But I'm going for pure quantity, to get experience. The more average+ girls (basically if they're not grossly fat I'm game) the better. The major theme I saw in GLL articles is that douchiness is actually good because it pushes you out of "safe/nice/provider" territory, which I guess is, on a subconscious level, seen as non-masculine. Chris made a graphic of this in
. Among the three online dating guides here (Lose Virginity, Rooster's and Chris'), they are either slightly douchy for the purpose of "universal appeal" or straight up showing an outline of your dick to screen out any girl who isn't trying to come over tonight for some Vitamin D. What is your take on that Wood? Is that because GLL is mainly about fucking as much as you can, and a big part of that is lowering your standards? Are you talking specifically about the key to getting the super hot girls online? Whenever I try "interesting" pics they don't work at all (for girls on any level), but that could be because they just aren't that interesting. Whenever I take advice from girls it never works.
Dude75, if you're serious about this, you'll take the risk, which I honestly don't think is that significant especially if you post pics in the Member's Only section (you're asking for online dating advice, what's the big deal?). It's one thing to say, "I wanna do well with online dating". It's another thing to really mean it and be willing to sacrifice whatever you have to in order to do it. For me, posting pictures to this forum is what changed online from frustration and failure to meeting girls and even getting laid a couple of times.
I'm back in NZ, which is the only reason why I'm doing online - the hot foreign girls numbers have dipped sharply. I'm planning to use my pictures for salt daddy dating e.g. - Fake Sugar Daddy.
The sad thing is, they're working awesome, but I've got mostly delusional 4's pretending to be 8+ messaging me, with a smattering of 7.5+... Fucking NZ...
This has led me to draw the conclusion my pictures are still not grand enough. Your $3000 setup one would actually be perfect.
If you're feeling charitable Wood, would you mind running an experiment with your grandest pics on Seeking arrangement? My profile explicitly states I don't pay for female company.
My next experiment will not state this, and use hardcore rich looking pictures. I'll them to refrain from any arrangement talk, particularly because we don't know if we have chemistry + not looking for a prostitute, then either pump and dump, or if they're cool, keep em around but always ready to dump if they bring up arrangement talk.
I have zero experience with that site. I've deleted everything except tinder and bumble. I just don't have time for OLD since focusing on my career. I went on only 5 dates this year from online--however they were aggressively screened and 4 high quality--smashed 3 and 1 was pretty dtf on first date which turned me off--she was hot, but she doesn't have a car so she got cut before the smash. I've unmatched a shit ton of interested girls just because I feel like she fell out of the race of being an upgrade to what I already have retained. Basically if she isn't a possible 9+ then I don't have time, i'd rather go raw doggy on a 9 I already put work on
The other one I didn't smash wasn't my decision. I think she was turned off after 2 dates by my instagram pics. Douchier than she thought. Sucks because she was a fucking 9 with her shit together. Made out (her neck is her spot---the uge), damn near rubbed her pussy in my car, but I live literally 70 mins away form her, hard to say come back to my place. She said "i'm not in a good place to date right now, my job is getting crazy" --- I was her first date on tinder (friends talked her into it) and she deleted the app. These rare unicorns are the ones that I aim for
Yeah i could see my douched out fashion pics being ideal for your goals. You got the physique for a good travel shirtless pic or a candid pool party pic. Making is look not planned is what you need. It is elusive, but crucial. For fashion you should be looking at stretch everything (spandex %), hug those gainz with those stretchy tops
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sweatervest wrote: @Wood At first I thought, "I don't know, I've had a different experience online" but I guess what's important is you're specifically talking about "quantity vs. quality". I'm curious what you mean by that exactly. You've talked about this some before (and debated it with others like BIB), but does "quality" mean hotness (like being 8+/10), or something else?
I've always been the type to challenge myself. When I play basketball and I get a rebound/airball I always clear it even when i don't have to just so I can EARN the points. I'm not into easy layups in dating. I feel like if it's easy for me, then it's easier for other guys and she's less of a catch.
HOT prerequisite -- independent -- hot -- good job -- have fun with her -- loyal
I'd say 90% of the girls I felt were quality were very inexperienced with OLD or didn't even have social media accounts and definitely didn't post pics for attention. OLD girls--Their friends talked them into the account and alot of them delete their accounts because it feels shallow and stupid to them. The best girls I've had imo have never been on OLD and laugh at it. They are independent AF and don't need to spend effort on guys. Pretty much the opposite of THIRSTY
Girls that post cleavage selfies turn me off. At 31, if a girl can't possibly be wifey then i ain't providing her with penis. Don't get me wrong, when I travel, my bar is lowered from 8.5+ to 7+ and I've made some sketch erase-worthy decisions, but the past 2 years I believed in the "if she isn't a possible upgrade to my top 3 FBs, then why bother" -- i've lost retained girls by fucking with too many, but more importantly it's draining to juggle more than 3
I would say I graduated to a cunt connoisseur currently specializing in retaining and raw sex after the familiar chlamydia burns and period puddles of my budding dbag youth
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That makes perfect sense and is sort of what I was expecting. When Shanghai said "sophisticated", I thought, "okay, like lawyers or doctors who are intelligent and classy, also very hot, but more than that".
And I think your last paragraph is the real key. Before I found GLL, I was telling myself to go only for those kinds of girls. This was at a time I had dated one girl in high school, and had sex once in my whole life. It was ridiculous, like saying, "I've never played in a band, but fuck all those bar gigs, I'm just gonna play at Madison Square Garden". I hadn't earned my dues and it was totally unreasonable to think I could consistently get girls of that caliber. Having a "fuckbuddy" was totally out of the question.
So I am currently, as you put it, a "budding dbag". A recovering pseudo-moralizing "nice guy" who was "too good" to just fuck around and tag lots of girls (translation: too insecure), and just wanted to land the absolutely perfect wife and be done with it. Now that's all I care about: pure quantity, with only the requirement that I'm sexually attracted to the girl (no fatties). I really want to reach the level where you are, but I have to put in my dues. So douchy shirtless pics with sunglasses for me !
I'll remember your advice when I'm ready for it, which won't be for a few years (and only then if I stick with my man-slut aspirations), and probably after I spend some time trying to free myself from the corporate world and run my own business. And like you said, I won't be looking for those girls on Tinder.
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I didn't think the "Get Hung" guide would have girls eyeing my bulge. It did.
I didn't think that your exercise and diet advice would have girls checking me out. It did.
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