TOPIC: Recent Online Fuck-Up...

Hey guys, been going at online recently and have been getting better. Had a convo with a girl today who I think was definitely interested (because my profile has only one pic and it's not very good lol) but I think I wrecked it somehow. Can you guys give me some insight?

I think I either initiated qualifying, thus throwing her off, or I asked for the number too soon.

Take a look:

Me: Hey there/[Name], you're genuinely quite attractive - I just thought I'd tell you that. naturally pretty By the way - Don't judge but I like Vampire diaries too. Damon Salvator ftw!

Her: What's FTW?

Me: "For the win"

Her: Oh yeah, I agree then.

Me: Sweet! lol. So how's yourng? Staying sane?

Me: * your week going
sorry keyboard lag

Her: My week haven't been keeping me sane lol not at all ​
How about you?

Me: Same I'm afraid. Busy week but it's almost over. So what do you like to do?

Her: Why do u ask cuz I like lots of things

Me: Just want to get to know you better. In fact, why don't we exchange numbers?

[end of convo]

So yeah... I obviously f*cked something up, but what?

Thanks guys.

Going to skip any weird ass fucking PUA terms because I don't do that shit.

But you asked for her number before establishing any real rapport with her. You shouldn't ask for a girl's number until you've been engaged in an actual conversation for a little bit. Slow things down, don't be so eager to get a phone number. She wasn't ready to give out a number so it was more comfortable for her to just fuck off.

T Wolf wrote: Going to skip any weird ass fucking PUA terms because I don't do that shit.

But you asked for her number before establishing any real rapport with her. You shouldn't ask for a girl's number until you've been engaged in an actual conversation for a little bit. Slow things down, don't be so eager to get a phone number. She wasn't ready to give out a number so it was more comfortable for her to just fuck off.

Ok, thanks.

Damn. This convo is cringy as fuck dude. It's really needy. Asking for the number too soon is the least of its problems. Stop with the over explaining, stop with the exclamation points, stop with the lols. Be a man.

Also: Remove "FTW" from your vocab entirely. Pussy repellent.

Double Also: There is no "too soon" for asking for numbers.. I shouldn't have implied that. You don't need to get into some in depth convo. If they're into your pics and you don't come across like a fuckin dork (which you 1000% did here), you can really ask for it whenever. BIB has a good guide for getting it efficiently on Tinder.. For non Tinder apps get a small convo going by asking where they're from and shit. Getting their number will come up naturally and quickly.

Online dating pics are everything. What you say is not as important..just don't be a weirdo unless you got some really good pics and you can say almost anything lol.

AustinC wrote: Damn. This convo is cringy as fuck dude. It's really needy. Asking for the number too soon is the least of its problems. Stop with the over explaining, stop with the exclamation points, stop with the lols. Be a man.

Kk, thanks.

What do you mean by "be a man"? That's a little vague...

AustinC wrote: Also: Remove "FTW" from your vocab entirely. Pussy repellent.

Done.

AustinC wrote: Double Also: There is no "too soon" for asking for numbers.. I shouldn't have implied that. You don't need to get into some in depth convo. If they're into your pics and you don't come across like a fuckin dork (which you 1000% did here), you can really ask for it whenever.

Let me stop you right there. What do you mean by "don't come across as a dork" and (more importantly) how should I come across instead?

AustinC wrote: BIB has a good guide for getting it efficiently on Tinder.. For non Tinder apps get a small convo going by asking where they're from and shit. Getting their number will come up naturally and quickly.

Stud_Muffin wrote: Online dating pics are everything. What you say is not as important..just don't be a weirdo unless you got some really good pics and you can say almost anything lol.

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Lol that's a crazy text convo.

Btw, i keep seeing this "don't be a weirdo" theme on GLL.

Well... what if you ARE a weirdo... what then? How can I not be a weirdo? rather, what should I be instead?

Listen to Stud_Muffin. Don't try to not get rejected. Try to get laid.

When I read through this convo I just thought, "yep, pretty standard online convo".

If you interpret every case of a girl going cold on you, especially at the moment you ask for her number, you're gonna have a bad time. There is no magic formula, system, combination of words or anything else that will result in 100% of the girls you talk to (or matched with or whatever) giving you their numbers/dating you/sleeping with you. Interpreting things not working out with a particular girl meaning you made some kind of mistake is the hallmark of the giant scam called "pick-up art" (Get Any Girl You Want! Except that's complete bullshit).

You didn't "obviously fuck" anything up. You just didn't get that girl's number. Most likely explanation is in one of the tons of other guys she matched with got her attention...

...with better pictures (more on that in a second).

Read BIB's guide here . He invites girls over within a few messages, sometimes the second one. The majority don't go anywhere. The ones that do are the ones you'll remember. Now that's a little advanced. That will only be fruitful if you are prepared to actually make out with these girls, take their clothes off and bang them right after meeting them. If you're not that ballsy yet ask them out on coffee dates, then a dinner/movie date or something where you can kiss her. If you are that ballsy, go for broke. That has nothing to do with the latter "working better". More girls will respond to it but many of them won't get naked with you for weeks or ever, it's for you to get more comfortable with girls.

The advice given about the way you talk isn't necessarily wrong, it's just insignificant. Asking for a number quickly screens. You'll get less numbers but more of them will go somewhere (rejected more = laid more). If you talk to a girl for a while and then she gives you her number she might not even be interested in meeting up. I've legit had girls online give me their numbers and get into engaging convos with me and then blow me off for meet-ups (I was stupid enough to let that happen three times with one girl). If a girl gives you her number slightly after "hey cutie", she's much more likely to be interested in your dick. It's the online version of this .

If you want to improve your odds at this numbers game, you need better pictures. I don't know if you've posted your profile pics anywhere here, but if you haven't, nothing anyone here says is going to matter (everything I'm saying is just trying to motivate you to take action and try consistently because "did I say the right thing" will just paralyze and distract you). Sexual attraction is not based on words. The talking is a formality. If a girl thinks you (through your pics) are hot, and she's sexually available, she will take your lead into the bedroom. Key takeaways from that are:

1: Look good
2: Talk to girls
3: Lead them to your bed

The second part is literally just "don't say nothing" + "don't be a total fucking creep/weirdo". Frankly you in the convo you posted seemed utterly normal to me (except the opener is a little too involved, just say, "hey cutie, what's going on" or something), even if "being less needy" or whatever might slightly help (that would mostly help your own mentality and push you to go for it). If a girl thinks you're hot, you can be needy, she'll still fuck you. She won't fuck you if she doesn't think you're hot, you don't talk to her at all, or you never make a move on her.

Post your pics and the community will help you get the most out of online dating.

If you can't think of shit to say, do exactly what every PUA coach warns you to never, ever do:

Just do basic, small-talk "interview style" questions: what are you up to, what did you do last weekend, how long have you lived around here, where are you from, what do you do for work, what do you like to do for fun, etc.

Ask 1-5 of those then say, "let's get together some time for coffee/a drink, send me your number and I'll text you". Do that, collect the numbers you get, stop worrying about the ones you didn't get, and go from there .

Dude. Look at the difference in these opening lines:

1. Hey Name, you're genuinely quite attractive - I just thought I'd tell you that. naturally pretty By the way - Don't judge but I like Vampire diaries too. Damon Salvator ftw!

2. Hey cutie what're you up to

Based on these. Which guy would you say gets more pussy? Does one seem much more thirsty and try hard? Draw some conclusions. Then apply that to the whole convo.

Also-- as great as it is that stud_muffin is being so direct, and it's 100% true you can say whatever you want and have it "work" as long as they find you super attractive, spamming your number to girls isn't the same as them giving you theirs.

AustinC wrote: you can say whatever you want and have it "work" as long as they find you super attractive.

And if they don't find you attractive, you think anything is going to "work"?

AustinC wrote: Which guy would you say gets more pussy?

Who cares? Girls don't decide to sleep with a guy because she thinks he's a man-slut (I'm not saying she'll decide not to sleep with him if she thinks that, I just think it's irrelevant next to whether she is sexually attracted to him).

I'm not saying you're wrong. If you read what I posted our recommendations for what to say are basically identical. I'm just saying it's like telling a gym newbie he needs to focus on taking his multivitamin every day.

Yeah, fine, but first get your diet and training in check. Here, "diet and training" is pictures and number of girl's you're talking to (with "matching" apps, that's limited by how well your pictures work). OP said he only has one picture and thinks it's bad.

Don't sweat the small stuff, especially at the beginning, and don't get paralyzed and decide not to respond to a girl because you are worried you won't say the "right" thing. Don't spend a lot of time on the internet trying to figure out some formula while girls online are waiting for you to talk to them. OP didn't say anything that I think would really turn a girl off if she liked him (nothing overtly inappropriate or crude), and you definitely cannot draw any conclusions from the fact she didn't give him her number. That's utterly routine (and statistically insignificant). If a girl likes you she'll be excited you're talking to her. Just don't waste her time with endless messaging that doesn't go anywhere (meaning, ask for her number).

My biggest concern is OP said "didn't get number = I did something wrong". No, no, no. Get that out of your head now, that mentality will fuck you up, You'll get discouraged and quit. Trust me. If one girl doesn't give you her number, the solution is to ask more girls for numbers. Found this article (not sure if I've read it before) last night after my post which hammers this home: www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/picking-up...eventually-get-pussy .

OP, just follow Rooster's Guide or Chris' Lose Your Virginity Guide (can be used even if you're not a virgin), and post your pictures for advice on how to max them out. The rest of your effort should be toward getting the best pictures, maxing out your looks (physique, clothes, grooming), and beating approach anxiety.

Trying to help this guy out with a general demeanor. Doesn't matter if interacting with a girl online or in real life or anywhere.

But if in your vast experience you've discovered that coming across like an over excited, over explaining, apologetic, overly invested needy vagina has no effect on a woman's response to you then go forth man. You do you.

OP you didn't "fuck up", this girl just wasn't down. You have to remember that most girls in general are not dtf. Most girls won't even meet a stranger they met online or in person.

With that being said, this game is mostly about looks. If you look sexy as fuck, it's only a matter of hitting the numbers and finding girls that are dtf.

So if you're not getting laid from online or in person right now, it's because of your looks. If you are sexy as fuck and you're not getting laid, it's because you're not talking to girls or you're talking to the wrong girls who are not dtf.

That's all there is to this game.