TOPIC: Shitty succes in online dating - am I ugly?

it's at times like these I wonder, why I even bother giving compliments to people..

I think a tan would make a big difference for you. Def. look into MT2. For you this will make a big difference...

And of course, crush the gym, no excuse to not gain 10 lbs lean muscle in the next two-three months, very achievable for you... your scrawny looking.

Once you get these two things down... your "looks" should be good enough for you to fuck girls that are hot,.... but your milage really is going to vary, and its up to you to put in the effort and be relentless.

Good luck man.

Leopard wrote: I never met someone saying "online dating is so easy, I have plenty of success".

Make your own conclusions.

Stop thinking other people are successful. That's reality of online.

^Lol, I am going to make the "POF Video" public haha.

if for no other reason so you can never say that again buddy

My definition of success is : not struggling to get laid consistently i.e. putting almost no effort and getting laid consistently.

Except 0.1% of the male population, nobody achieves success.

Exceptions always confirm the rule.

No girl is interested in you on this Earth, that's just the reality. Even if you are super good-looking. Attraction is not only about looks. 90% of getting laid is : is the girl actually looking for something ?

Everybody that gets laid a lot do pick-up as a second job i.e. they put in a lot of effort.

Of course, when you get a girlfriend that is emotionally healthy then you can achieve a consistent sex life, but except getting laid consistenly with a girlfriend nobody gets easily consistent casual sex. Nobody. They always have to put in A LOT of work. Just to fuck shallow dumb sluts that don't even know respect.

I enjoy more finding 3 fuckbuddies/girlfriends per year that actually like me and respect me as a human being. And I know they exist. It's like finding a needle in a haystack but they exist. That's still not an easy task.

Its a hit or miss. Your not ugly. Some of these girls get 200 plus messages, well that's what they say. Some of these women don't get much attention elsewhere. Most women says they don't get approached on the street anymore....


So yeah you have to be patient with results but persistent with hitting females up.

@Leopard - Sounds like your a bit demoralized right now man... I've been there. Your closer to your definition of success than you think, way closer actually. Its not about chasing down drunk sluts, the time invested into self development wasn't to get one lay, it was/is to develop yourself to the point you can get laid with zero effort, fuck hot girls, with zero effort... When you can meet a complete stranger, a hot girl, and fuck her, that's a beautiful thing, when you can do it consistently and retain these women in your life, its even better. This really is all about enriching your life...

@Ronin : I'm not demoralized. I actually feel good. I just want to tell the truth and stop chasing fantasies. And I'm actually doing pretty good atm : 8 new girls in the last 4 months + retained 4 of them as fuckbuddies.

What I actually enjoy : fucking/spending time with girls that like me and respect me. In real world only few girls are like that, 0.1% at max.

Everybody that gets casual sex consistently is working his fucking ass off. That's not what I want.

And sorry but every relationship I had (casual or not), the girl liked my personality. So saying looks is the only factor that counts in getting laid is so untrue.

So you better find which girls you are compatible with and organize yourself to meet plenty of them consistently. Then it will be easy to get laid because you will just do something you like, you will talk only with people that like you and everytime a girl will give you signals you will just have to escalate and boom new lay without even a LMR. Girl enjoyed the sex, you too, she likes your personality, you too.

Your openers are really corny and you only have one pic and it's a selfie. You probably come off sleazy
I'd say more pics, preferably outside, but as long as they look good who cares
And read rooster's guide. The "You seem cool. What are you up to?" works well enough, and you can customize it with a third sentence if you feel the need

@leopard
This is where having a social life comes into play

Props to FS Ronin for taking a proactive approach to these forums. Much respect.

No, not ugly. But there's a lot of room for improvement.

Light skin and hair + long face + skinny build = "I'm a total nice guy".
And using just one pic, a selfie, screams "I'm a loner".

Those two things are the exact opposite of what you want to be communicating. Nothing to be ashamed of, I'm a huge fucking loner myself, but either way it's something you want to hide.

I used to use just one pic for online dating and got no responses, now I have three and I actually am getting some messages back. Most people here find that a good combination is: A professional-looking portrait type photo for your main pic, just showing yourself. A shirtless pic if you have muscle, or some other pic of you in a cool place or doing cool stuff. And a picture of you with friends, to communicate that you are "fun" and have social skills. If you don't have friends, you can find meetup groups online and get some group photos (I did this for a paintball meetup, and got a good photo which I posted on my profile).

I would strongly recommend dyeing your hair and eyebrows dark brown, and getting a tan. You can try MT2 if you want, but I personally didn't like the unnatural looking color it gave me. And I ended up with a lot of new moles, which luckily I was able to remove with dry ice, but it did leave small scars. If I had ended up with moles that were large and/or in bad places, I would have been fucked. With your light skin and light hair, you're probably prone to moles, so watch out.

Try going for a hairstyle that minimizes the forehead, and doesn't add so much vertical height. Your face is kind of long, and this is something which you want to minimize. Also grow a beard if you can, and dye it dark brown.

I would also recommend using RU58841 and minox. You don't want to end up losing your hair.

I think 10-15 lbs of muscle would be good on you.

Now a couple questions:
1) How tall are you?
2) Where do you live?

Also, pics should be high-contrast, and there should be no clutter in the room. If pictures are washed out and mediocre looking, they won't grab any attention. You need pics to stand out in order for them to be noticed.

This picture is not the best, but here's how it would look if you did those two things.

A nice tan would drastically improve your looks.