TOPIC: Online Mastery.

This is my thread working towards online game mastery.

I just started getting pretty heavy into online game a week ago. I'm tweaking how I do things and after reading Rooster's thread, I see that I already apply his advice. Good stuff btw.

One major difference for me is that I only log on once a day, and I've been mass messaging 10-20 girls a day for the past week. I already laid one of the girls, so it's working. She wasn't bad looking either. Nice body.

I should probably download it on my phone, but I don't want to waste my time throughout the day chatting with girls. So, I'll just reply once a day. Time invested, less than 5 minutes per day. I copy and paste the same message as well. I think it's also good that there's a time delay for me to reply to girls as well. Also, I have been messaging only attractive girls lately, which has decreased my response rates, but increased the quality of girls that do reply in the first place. I'm intentionally stepping up my quality, since I know I can lay fatties and lowbies, so what's the point? They're not even satisfying emotionally or physically.

One random tip I could add for other guys is to have a good shirtless picture up if you have a nice body. An important note on this though, because I've had a dating profile for years now and I've had a shirtless pic up for a while too and it didn't seem to make a big difference. Until I put up a difference shirtless pic and my results sky rocketed. I laid like 4 or 5 girls in 3-4 weeks from girls who all messaged me first or looked at my profile first. Including, a cute HB7 who was visiting the country for a week. She messaged me first too. I seriously thought it was a fake profile at first, why would a cute girl from a different country message me? Turns out she was visiting, and I banged her within an hour of meeting her.

Now you're wondering what the difference was? My previous shirtless pic was just me in the mirror. That screams douche bag. My new one is where I'm out in public and have a reason to have my shirt off, plus somebody else is taking the picture of me. I won't specify what the context of the picture is, since it's way too specific. Just have a shirtless picture where you're INCIDENTALLY shirtless, and not in the mirror. It will change your results.

I also always message every single girl who looks at my profile. Even if all they saw was a tiny icon of your profile picture, human eyes have high enough resolution to pick out attractive physical characteristics from a tiny icon. So you can bet the girl found you at least remotely attractive if she even viewed your profile.

My profile is also intentionally vague and short. To seem mysterious and so I don't sprinkle facts that could disqualify myself. This has the added disadvantage of disqualifying myself for being too mysterious though, but that's a risk I'm willing to take. I also have cool traveling photos of me around the world, so that is attractive. I have not changed my profile in over a year if I remember correctly.

I'll probably update this thread as I gain new insights. I'll bold the important stuff so far.

Edit: If anyone has any input on how to lay hot girls from online feel free to share please. Most of my online lays are HB6-7, which is enough for an ego boost and somewhat sexually satisfying, but not much further. Thanks!

Laid another girl through online game 2 weeks ago.

Had a cute blonde girl from online game on a date last week too. Got her in bed and she gave me LMR.

Need to tweak my profile probably, I am getting a very low reply to sent messages ratio. I send 10-20 a day and get like 1-5 replies a day. I have to reformat my online routine stack too, it's definitely not the most effective way to go. It works if the girl thinks I'm hot and is already DTF, but then again, doesn't everything work in that situation?

Need to make my profile more sarcastic and less serious.

One random tip I could add for other guys is to have a good shirtless picture up if you have a nice body. An important note on this though, because I've had a dating profile for years now and I've had a shirtless pic up for a while too and it didn't seem to make a big difference. Until I put up a difference shirtless pic and my results sky rocketed. I laid like 4 or 5 girls in 3-4 weeks from girls who all messaged me first or looked at my profile first. Including, a cute HB7 who was visiting the country for a week. She messaged me first too. I seriously thought it was a fake profile at first, why would a cute girl from a different country message me? Turns out she was visiting, and I banged her within an hour of meeting her.

Now you're wondering what the difference was? My previous shirtless pic was just me in the mirror. That screams douche bag. My new one is where I'm out in public and have a reason to have my shirt off, plus somebody else is taking the picture of me. I won't specify what the context of the picture is, since it's way too specific. Just have a shirtless picture where you're INCIDENTALLY shirtless, and not in the mirror. It will change your results.

I was actually contemplating this too. Good to hear the advice. I was thinking more of a shot from like coming out of a pool I frequent( I like swimming). Do you think you have to be ripped to put a shirtless pic up? or just a decent enough body that you don't mind being shirtless?

One random tip I could add for other guys is to have a good shirtless picture up if you have a nice body. An important note on this though, because I've had a dating profile for years now and I've had a shirtless pic up for a while too and it didn't seem to make a big difference. Until I put up a difference shirtless pic and my results sky rocketed. I laid like 4 or 5 girls in 3-4 weeks from girls who all messaged me first or looked at my profile first. Including, a cute HB7 who was visiting the country for a week. She messaged me first too. I seriously thought it was a fake profile at first, why would a cute girl from a different country message me? Turns out she was visiting, and I banged her within an hour of meeting her.

Now you're wondering what the difference was? My previous shirtless pic was just me in the mirror. That screams douche bag. My new one is where I'm out in public and have a reason to have my shirt off, plus somebody else is taking the picture of me. I won't specify what the context of the picture is, since it's way too specific. Just have a shirtless picture where you're INCIDENTALLY shirtless, and not in the mirror. It will change your results.

I was actually contemplating this too. Good to hear the advice. I was thinking more of a shot from like coming out of a pool I frequent( I like swimming). Do you think you have to be ripped to put a shirtless pic up? or just a decent enough body that you don't mind being shirtless?

Hmm.. I do not have any friends on online dating websites who are not ripped that use shirtless pictures. But I assume it has a positive impact if you're even in moderate shape. It is essential that you take a picture incidentally, I think a pool shot would be fine. We're evolutionarily hardwired to be attractive to certain aspects of the opposite sex, and it's not a dichotomy, but a gradient scale, so I think it should be helpful. One word of advice for you is to debrief girls after you lay them (important: only after sex, her answers are not helpful or honest before sex), like my questions after sex are usually...

1. What did you think when you first met me? (or I first messaged you if it's online dating)
2. When did you want to have sex with me?
3. When did you know we were going to have sex?

This is interesting because I've had online lay girls answer my second question by telling me, as soon as they saw my shirtless picture on my dating profile. I'm mentioning this, because you can find out exactly how helpful it is after putting up that picture and then debriefing the next few online lays you get and see how many girls even mention that specific picture.

Also, I know a guy who had good results from online game by using a shirtless picture that wasn't even him, and he was never questioned about it, I guess the guy looked similar to him or something, even though once the girl sees him naked it's obvious he's not the guy in the photo, but I doubt girls are mentally looking for contradictions by the time you're both naked lol.

Interesting. Thanks for the advice. Yeah I'm not ripped but definitely not in horrible shape. I would think it would be wierd to ask those questions but I mean if you already fucked the girl its plausible questions like these won't be to farfetched. ( I mean you already banged). So yeah, I'll do that. I think its cool people can be good with women and still be so logical, and make it into a an experiment. The dichotomy is very interesting.

What kind of things did you learn from asking those questions?

How old are you?

Im in my mid 30's and my online success has been whack. I used to have way more success in my twenties. And I'm not bad looking I would say average or slightly above but don't know what's the issue.

If I send out a 50 messages I might get 3 or 4 replies then usua only 1 number.

I wish I was havimg your success.

Interesting. Thanks for the advice. Yeah I'm not ripped but definitely not in horrible shape. I would think it would be wierd to ask those questions but I mean if you already fucked the girl its plausible questions like these won't be to farfetched. ( I mean you already banged). So yeah, I'll do that. I think its cool people can be good with women and still be so logical, and make it into a an experiment. The dichotomy is very interesting.

What kind of things did you learn from asking those questions?

Yep, definitely try out that picture and let me know how it goes.

As for the questions I mentioned, I haven't really learned anything very useful or applicable. It's more of simply me finding it interesting to get the girl's perspective on the situation. Here's some common themes I've heard.

1. The girls NEVER remember what I opened them with or what I messaged them in the first place.
2. They always thought I was hot or cute, so looks definitely matter, in real life and online.
3. The girl ALWAYS knew we were going to have sex before I did. Like every single time. Even when I wasn't even sure we were going to have sex or not, the girl was like, "I knew we were going to have sex the moment you hugged me when we meet" (I hug girls right away if I'm meeting them for the first time from an online date). Or, "The moment you put your arms around me at the start of the movie."
4. Girls decide VERY early on whether they're going to have sex with you or not, at least if it is even a remote possibility, she has made up her mind very early on.

How old are you?

Im in my mid 30's and my online success has been whack. I used to have way more success in my twenties. And I'm not bad looking I would say average or slightly above but don't know what's the issue.

If I send out a 50 messages I might get 3 or 4 replies then usua only 1 number.

I wish I was havimg your success.

Replied to your PM.

Just got my first Tinder lay last night. Too easy. Cute girl too. I just installed Tinder 10 days before, so this seems like a sex gold mine. I have ridiculous matches with girls, and I've gotten quite a few numbers and one date last night that translated into a lay. I have another date this Sunday with a hottie from Tinder too. This looks way better than dating websites so far, especially with the more obvious sexual connotations involved. I invited the girl over to watch a movie and she said she knew we weren't going to watch a movie.

Nice sounds like you're tearing it up!!! What was yoru breakthrough? I remember back in the day there was kind of a learning curve where you said you were getting shitty results.

Haven't done online stuff in a while, (at least not since i used to text you every time I got laid on pof).......but from what I remember, the quantity of messages I got in any given week was fairly erratic--it would come in waves. It was usually a decent reply rate, but it did fluctuate and looking back on it, I really don't think it had anything to do with any tweaks that I made. IMO it's just the law of averages. Like one time I got 7 messages on thanksgiving and thought "whoa!! thanksgiving is a goldmine" and then the next year I logged all through Turkey week to see if it happened again and I didn't get one message.

Harley D wrote: Nice sounds like you're tearing it up!!! What was yoru breakthrough? I remember back in the day there was kind of a learning curve where you said you were getting shitty results.

Haven't done online stuff in a while, (at least not since i used to text you every time I got laid on pof).......but from what I remember, the quantity of messages I got in any given week was fairly erratic--it would come in waves. It was usually a decent reply rate, but it did fluctuate and looking back on it, I really don't think it had anything to do with any tweaks that I made. IMO it's just the law of averages. Like one time I got 7 messages on thanksgiving and thought "whoa!! thanksgiving is a goldmine" and then the next year I logged all through Turkey week to see if it happened again and I didn't get one message.

Hmm... I think an overall shift in the way I come across, possibly due to increased confidence and experience. Like, I'm exerting myself a lot less, sending shorter messages and texts, etc., but not as a tactic, it is coming from just what I genuinely feel like saying.

Tinder also has more of a hook-up/sexual connotation to it, so I think that was a big factor in this specifically. Not sure if this lay was a fluke yet, but we will see. I have a hottie planned for a date on this Sunday. If that goes well then I have locked onto something consistent.

I had a shirtless picture uploaded that increased my results dramatically too. I think I laid 3-4 new girls online the same month I uploaded that picture.

Being able to escalate well in person as well. I knew I was going to fuck this tinder girl the moment I put my arm around her, it was weird. Since the last girl I laid told me she knew we were going to have sex the moment I put my arm around her (I wasn't sure if I was going to get laid at that time with that girl), this time I felt the same thing with this girl. She was probably DTF too. I invited her to watch movies at my place, which is code word for sex pretty much.

Hey man congrats on your success so far with online dating/tinder!