TOPIC: Consumer lifestyle vs. spartan lifestyle.... Are you brainwashed or free?

I want to be a millionaire by the time I'm 30. And I'm taking the steps to doing so. Not because of society but because I want to do whatever I want.

Buy a lambo? Fuck yeah. I don't care how it looks to the outside world I just love it.
Go Heli Skiing (7k for a week)? Yep.
Fly where ever and when ever I want to. Yep.

I don't want to limit myself to a cheap apartment. I'm doing that now and it's boring as fuck.

Sort of, there is a difference b/t mindlessly spending $$ on just crap, and spending significant $$ on things that are actually worth significant amounts of $$$ in your life.

Issue with Spartan living is it also denies even simple pleasures, one becomes all about money and self denial when in the final analysis, there will always be a slow walk and a dirt nap in store for every single one of us.

I'd happily pay good money for a suit, or good shoes, or tailoring or a haircut, those raise value and personal worth, to just vomit money for crap that just wastes hard assets (like time, focus etc) is simply stupid.

I didn't know this was defined as the "Spartan" lifestyle?
My friends and I just called it 'live simple'

haha.. I was a beyond a Spartan a few years ago for sure

ask me the return policy at every store in the USA. I probably know.

watch this vid
it's pretty interesting

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2012/03/25/human-enslavement/

that is an incredible video in my opinion and it really twisted my shit

True News 13: Statism is Dead - Part 3 - The Matrix

watch this vid
it's pretty interesting

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2012/03/25/human-enslavement/

Okay, I already buy it, now what?

How do you get out of the matrix?

Be your own boss - financially (you're still part of the system)

I guess not tying your happiness and satisfaction
to culturally popular things, that we've been programmed
to believe we need (like what your talking about in this thread)
is the main way to disconnect from the matrix.

So, realizing that you're in the matrix, and doing
what you want and having fun in your life - I guess
that's really what we're talking about here right?

@Dannyboy

You suffer from depression...

Maybe you should try something new.

Nope to the depression, yep to trying something new.

50% guy gets wiped out, they tuck tail and run away into a 9 to 5 life, Elite guy is wiped out, they merely take the chance to reload and do it again only better.

Mistakes and misreads become obvious, how to handle money properly becomes obvious.

This stuff is a cycle, talent will rise, weak monkeys fall down and stay down.

Don't be a weak little monkey

This is pretty much how I see it. If I don't beat this I don't even fucking deserve to pass my genes along ... Nothing wrong with stepping down, but I know it wouldn't make me any happier - Well it might because instead of thinking about retarded stuff I would have to think about basic surviving again The way I am handling my finances(aggressive investing) it might happen sooner than later anyway... But I am not afraid of it, I embrace it.

Kanye West - Stronger

hehe this song pretty much puts depression on hold everytime I listen to it

Great post, man i was once a sheep traveling in the herd until i had awakening of sorts.... Now im focused on achieving my goals and becoming the Ultimate me

"When you're young; live like no one else will (i.e. living Spartan). If you do this, you'll be able to enjoy your future like no one else can."

-Dave Ramsey (Financial Guru)

It seems like this thread is separated by people who are arguing that living one way is superior to the other. According to Mr. Ramsey's post above, it would seem that your style of living is more on a timeline continuum more so than a black and white dichotomy.

I was dating this 18 year old (still see her on and off) who lived in an 18 Million dollar mansion (I didn't know this upon picking her up). I damn near deuced my drawers when she invited me over for drinks and dinner with her fam.

I got to talking with her old man about taxes, business, Obama, travel, life, etc. He was red pill, he just didn't know it.

Prying deeper and deeper I began to ask him questions about the what(s) and how(s) of building his empire. He didn't talk too much about the mechanics of starting his own business, but moreover the psychology behind it. Paraphrasing:

"Ask Danielle about what living was like back in 2009. All we ate were bologna sandwiches and tuna. I had two other partners at the time who dropped out because they were unwilling to do the same...They had no staying power and when their wives complained, they gave in and gave me their business equity for pennies on the dollar. Two years later I gained traction and things took off. Sure, my wife and daughter were upset with me, but look at them now (points over to wife and daughter sipping wine outside by the hot tub which overlooked a pool in an infinity style set up). Sure, they hated me then, but everyone fucking loves me now, don't they?"

Man_UP wrote:
Okay, I already buy it, now what?

How do you get out of the matrix?

You can get a 2nd passport for one thing. It might already be illegal in the US, I'm not sure. I realize you don't live in the US though...

And another thing you can do - especially for you, since you have an online business - is move your company offshore to a tax haven. There are ways to do this 100% above the law. You only get taxed on the salary you pay yourself back at home. You can buy real estate, businesses, etc with the corporation. An added benefit is those assets aren't under your own name, but you do own them. Places like Nevis, Seychelles, etc. Do your research before considering this though, as every country is different.

Living like a Spartan is definitely the way to go if you want to be successful. It's hard to get rich, but it's even harder to stay rich. Do you really need a bunch of clothes that you will never wear when you can have a couple of cool looking outfits that you actually use? Do you need an expensive sports car when you can buy a cheaper but equally good looking car that's also better on gas and will have a less expensive insurance? Do you need to live in the most expensive and biggest apartment when you can rent a smaller/cheaper one that's just as good location wise? The answer to all this is no of course. I think there's nothing better than knowing that when shit hits the fan, you're financially stable. You lose your job, you still have enough money to live off of it for 3 years. This is just my opinion btw. I used to be obsessed with materialism but then I realized that all that shit won't make me any more happy.

Ok - I see what your saying to an extent. But to do business with other people and have social status in the eyes of other people a big house, a nice car etc is needed. Sure, if you don't want the social status assoicated with having a big car, big house in a city and all the perks that come with that social rep (mostly - more business & Social proof) you can live a spartan lifestyle on welfare and not have to do jack. You'll have all the sparetime in your day.

1-2 cool outfits, what if you go to school?

Living life as a spending animal has cost me so much... My parents should've taught me the value of money as a kid, made me earn my own spending money, etc. but they chose not to do so.

I proceeded to run my own company as a very young man, spending all the money I made on useless shit... Drugs, DVDs, and take away.

All of which is now gone. Useless.

For some reason that DVD collection full of limited editions seemed so important. My priorities were so fucked.

Today, I go to work - for as long as that'll last - enjoying it, enjoying the people I work with, actually doing something that's needed by other people and that I get results from immediately. I get paid... Not enough, but hopefully that will change next week... Either way - I'm not going on a search now, for shit to spend my money on. That's such a fucked up thing to do... My main expenses are rent/utilities/gym membership/phone subscription/food/ and now and then shoes and clothing.

Only things I need, when and as I need them. I dont run to the store to stock up on beef or chicken or whatever just becaue they have it on special this week, either.

This change occured very recently in me, when I got fed up with not even being able to pay my way towards taking a girl out for coffee... "How the fuck am I ever gonna get laid if I cant even take a girl out for coffee? Much less get a girlfriend!"

two plus two equaled four...