TOPIC: Guys who went from beta male loner to alpha/player, is it normal to feel this???

I read Chris's story on good looking loser and to me it seems like he pretty much always had success with women growing up, from his teens and so on. Hit a tough stretch in his 20s but then got back to where he was at.

Unfortunately my story is a bit different. I was a virgin through most of my teens which includes all of high school and most of college (didn't truly have success with women until my junior year). People would never taken me seriously, I would get picked on verbally, laughed at, and be butt of many jokes unfortunately, this happened a lot in high school. Of course in high school I was never really into any of the girls.

Now I am in a transitioning stage (six packs coming in, picking up on style, get compliments for my looks, taken a bit more seriously, etc.).  I have over 10 lays under my belt (14 to be exact).

But something is up with my state of mind.

Like now, I can't see myself hating men that cheat on their girlfriends while growing up I always felt hatred towards those kinds of men.

It is hard to describe and might even make me a bad person but I could actually see now why so many guys cheat on their girlfriends, treat women like dirt, and use them for nothing but sex. I feel no guilt in calling a girl a bitch or a dumbass slut right to her face with everyone around if she gets too irritating. In some cases I have talked down to girls and I cannot even explain why, this doesn't always happen but it happens sometimes with me. Hasn't happened in my current college town but it happened back in my old town.

I don't know if I am the only one this has happened to, but all those years of being a joke through most of my teens has put a huge chip on my shoulder.

Those attitudes may or may not be normal, but they don't seem healthy to me.

Cheating.
I think cheating on and lying to a girl who belongs to you is a kind of weakness.  Guys who do that do not live up to their word, meaning they do not respect themselves and they certainly do not respect the girl. There's no reason to hate these guys, but I wouldn't go out of my way to associate with them.

Talking down to girls.
Girls clearly have to be told to shut up sometimes. It's necessary. But verbally abusing them is different. Verbally abusing them says more about you than it does her. It means you're not in control.

Control the situation, always.  This doesn't mean to be a "non-reactive" robot. It means knowing yourself and your emotions, especially anger,  and leveraging them instead of letting them control you.

I can say from regrettable experiences that girls will subconsciously conclude that you're a pussy if you ever flip out, call them names in an abusive manner ("bitch" cunt whatever) or start smashing shit. It's hard to regain trust after you've done that.

The only time your girl is to be absolutely degraded is in bed.

I think I would fit the description in your title. I had good looks and friends, but definitely was nervous around girls. I hooked up with maybe one or two girls a year. Now it's a lot more. I'm not even counting anymore. My attitudes toward girls have gotten more in tune with reality as a result. They are wonderful, sometimes terrible, but overall beautiful, horny creatures and I actually love everything about them now.

Hmm, I don't know what to think.

I had a pretty shitty time in high school myself. All because I was maybe 20-30lbs overweight. I wasn't obese, but fat enough to be called fatty all the time, to have guys beat me up for no reason other than I was fat, and to have girls look down on me and ignore me.

I never hated anyone for it though. I hated myself. I agreed with them. I felt I was a fat piece of shit, and they had every right to tease and mock me.

The changing moment for me believe it or not was that stupid Body for Life thing with Bill Phillips and Anthony Ellis. I believed in that change, and got my ass into a gym like I had belonged there from the start.

I went from 190lbs chubby to 170lbs at around what I estimate was probably around 20% bf, and I did it in 3 months.

People that knew me couldn't believe the change. I had girls stare at me for once in my life, but I was a skinny shit, 14" arms so it meant nothing.  I wanted to be huge so I could feel protected and not like that fat kid that used to get his ass beat and had to climb up trees to get away from bullies (lol thinking about it)

It took a few years to get to 18" arms, and all I got for it was to injure myself severely and get fat again because I was benched.

Only in the past year have I started to get back into the game.

Moral of the story: You can't fight human nature, you either claw your way to the top, or get trampled at the bottom.

So I have fat genes? Fuck it, if I need to watch my diet for the rest of my life, that's what needs to get done.

So I'm short? Wear platform shoes, or just forget about it and go for shorter chicks that won't care as much.

etc etc.

I'm still not an alpha now, but getting closer. And I never hated chicks and have no real resentment of my bullies either.

I'm just envious that it's harder for me to have what they were just naturally born with.

It is like I want to actively be the guy that teaches women and shows them how wrong they are for treating guys who bother no one like garbage and loving guys that go around starting shit. The thing is so hard to explain but now I cannot see myself getting married, I just have this mentality of being with a girl for a night and then slipping out and never hearing from her again.

Like I find it harder to get emotionally attached to girls.

Lotta vengeance up in this post.  Yall gotta man up cuz this is weak attitude.  You on that man shit now... but them hoes you hatin on been on that hoe shit since day 0.  So understand that the hoe will look upto the man. It aint the hoe's fault you been picked on or whatever back in the day.  Why take your old-loser bullshit out on ,her?  She aint do anything but try to look good for you so that youd holla at her.  If you really on that man shit, then you will be bangin the hoe Bcuz she will be showin you that respect from the get go, ya mean?  When someones really your bitch you aint gotta tell them, ya mean?  Power is inverbal

You're still young my brother. In time you will know when you meet the lady you are going to marry. It's perfectly normal to have a hate on women, talk down to them, treat them like shit, so on so forth. Most women (not all) in North American society walk around with a huge feeling of self entitlement, which is bullshit! I'm sure I will get flamed by some mommas boys on here, and I don't give a fuck! The real men here know that the woman they want to settle down with is going to put them FIRST! I have encountered the same feelings of hatred towards women in my past. Don't beat yourself up for feeling this way, run with it, and when you do meet a lady that you don't treat shitty or cheat on, you will know that she is probably marriage material. I treat women how they deserve to be treated based on their personality. I have no problem giving to and taking care of a super sweet gal that goes out of her way for me on a consistent basis, but a women that thinks and acts in a context of me me me, will get treated bottom of the barrel. My two cents!

Affliction

Makes a lot of sense to me man. Good post.

Hating on women is NOT normal. It is a weakness. Get rid of it.

Correct your issues, always. Take 100% responsibility, always. 

A guy with personal strength doesn't need to hate on women, in fact he loves women. 

All women have a deep part of them that is still a helpless little girl. That part of them DESPERATELY needs a man with strength and solid structure, not a brat who will get offended and bitch at them.

So understand that the hoe will look upto the man. It aint the hoe's fault you been picked on or whatever back in the day.  Why take your old-loser bullshit out on ,her?  She aint do anything but try to look good for you so that youd holla at her.  If you really on that man shit, then you will be bangin the hoe Bcuz she will be showin you that respect from the get go, ya mean?  When someones really your bitch you aint gotta tell them, ya mean?  Power is inverbal

100%.

You're still young my brother. In time you will know when you meet the lady you are going to marry. It's perfectly normal to have a hate on women, talk down to them, treat them like shit, so on so forth. Most women (not all) in North American society walk around with a huge feeling of self entitlement, which is bullshit! I'm sure I will get flamed by some mommas boys on here, and I don't give a fuck! The real men here know that the woman they want to settle down with is going to put them FIRST!
Affliction

I'm sorry, but this is complete Bullshit, and needs to be called out.

I'm a real man, and I don't consider it cool or NORMAL to disrespect women. WTF man? Your attitude is way out of line.

Hating on women is NOT normal. It is a weakness. Get rid of it.

Correct your issues, always. Take 100% responsibility, always. 

A guy with personal strength doesn't need to hate on women, in fact he loves women. 

All women have a deep part of them that is still a helpless little girl. That part of them DESPERATELY needs a man with strength and solid structure, not a brat who will get offended and bitch at them.

Hating women is extreme, it is something a pathetic beta male like say Roosh V or Roissy would do, I am talking more on the sense of feeling the need to get validation by sleeping with as many girls as possible due to a bad past. Being rude and condescending towards people in some cases because you feel those kinds of guys get more respect.

Yet the other person had a point, some women here in the US do walk around and a HUGE princess complex and do need to be put in their place (told that what they are doing is wrong).

I know the feelings I get are far from normal, hence why I posted this thread.

In time you will know when you meet the lady you are going to marry

I always hated when people told me this line thru my youth.

Hating on women is NOT normal. It is a weakness. Get rid of it.

Correct your issues, always. Take 100% responsibility, always. 

A guy with personal strength doesn't need to hate on women, in fact he loves women. 

All women have a deep part of them that is still a helpless little girl. That part of them DESPERATELY needs a man with strength and solid structure, not a brat who will get offended and bitch at them.

Hating women is extreme, it is something a pathetic beta male like say Roosh V or Roissy would do, I am talking more on the sense of feeling the need to get validation by sleeping with as many girls as possible due to a bad past. Being rude and condescending towards people in some cases because you feel those kinds of guys get more respect.

Yet the other person had a point, some women here in the US do walk around and a HUGE princess complex and do need to be put in their place (told that what they are doing is wrong).

I know the feelings I get are far from normal, hence why I posted this thread.

If you think about it in these terms you could probably see why we should feel sorry for women rather than hating them:

Most women that are a 7+ live most of their youth at a 14 year old mental state, drunk on the power that their looks have over men. Fewer and fewer are able to commit to a guy now. But this is going to blow up in their faces as soon as they leave College and start looking to "settle down".

I believe there will be less and less men willing to commit to women like these. The ones that do are complete betas that the women will find disgusting, but will marry anyway because they will lack the choice (causing divorces because they are unhappy in their marriages)

So instead of hating women, just let them lay in the beds they are making for themselves, and enjoy their pussies while they are young.