TOPIC: Bold and Determined gone?

@1v1mekid I observed a turn to spirituality and specifically Christianity in the masculinity/self improvement crowd, although I can't remember specific names.
I agree that he is free to change his opinions and do whatever the fuck he wants. I still respect the man, he has accomplished a lot and I'm not judging his faith. But his recent actions do change completely the meaning of his past teachings.

This is truly bizarre. I really wonder what the appeal of Christianity is for these people. Are they compensating for a perceived life of hedonism and self-interest?

Or maybe they became disillusioned with a life in pursuit of discipline and success. A turn to religion may provide a renewed sense of purpose and meaning in their lives.

Anyway, doesn't affect me, so...

I think as long he's happy and isn't hurting anyone then who are we to judge.

Thought he had gone bit weird tbf these past couple of years. Some strange podcasts

Any time a guy grows a huge untrimmed ugly af beard as well its rarely a good sign

Yeah I found this surprising, too. I've been following B&D for years and just met "Victor" in September. We went jeeping and shooting. Much quieter in person, but just as intense. He even came to my New Years Eve party and seemed like he had a good time, and we went hiking a few weeks later. He seemed like all he wanted was to live off the land and maybe start a family. I invited him out again a two weeks ago and the invite went unnoticed- he just wanted to tell me about Jesus. I think maybe he was missing a sense of community and felt like he achieved his goals and perhaps this is just a new adventure/sense of purpose. I wish him well, but agree what he said before about it being a "Slave mindset" religion. It's quite the 180 to go from fiercely independent to hardcore follower. I don't get it but I wish him the best.

Respect to Victor/Nickolas

Chris talks about nothing in moderation, well if youve read BnD you know Victor is an extreme person. He went out, did his thing, made lots of money, achieved all his wants.

I'm sure he'll share more of what happened but at this point we don't know what happened. Happy for him though.

I've actually hung out with Victor (Nick) in the last few months. He even came to my New Years party and seemed to have a good time. Seemed like he was looking for a sort of a homestead to raise animals and a family on. I message him a few weeks ago to see when he wants to go shooting again and all I hear is about Jesus, then he put his post up that same day. It's quite a surprise for someone so furiously independent, seeing as religion is all about following. Crazy he deleted (or hid) his whole blog. It helped a lot of guys and there was very little there I'd consider un-Christian. Seems like he's "finding himself". A couple months ago he was hanging out with some off-the-grid hippies, and now this. Last thing he told me is he'd be traveling out of the country for the next few months, so I'm really curious to hear how this happened. He's a tough guy to get a read on though.

Edit: crap....I came back to see if I had replies today and my post wasn't there, so I just re-wrote something similar....and as soon as I hit submit my old post pops up.

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Unless, I'm missing something, I feel like this is WAY too much of a trend to be legit. Every guy I followed has tried to rebrand themselves or get out of the pickup advice game entirely. Listening to that one Chris podcast/interview from last summer, I feel like it just has to do with the way all of the major platforms have demonetized anything related to the manosphere. I've read and heard a lot from these guys strange comments like "I could never teach that stuff now," as if feminists control the internet. It does seem like they exert a hell of a lot of power at the moment and the money is just too good for all these guys to be going down all at once like this. Maybe, there's even legal action being taken against them if they don't take content down.

It's sad, man. Because, I've recently realized the final thing I needed to take off with women is to become truly awake to just how bad its become out here. Everywhere I fucking turn there's another woman or "male ally" talking about men like they're the most worthless, demonic pieces of shit to ever breathe. It's no wonder guys out here are scared shitless of being men with the messaging that's allowed to exist in the mainstream. I know for myself I need to make some serious changes to my lifestyle and the way I consume media if I'm ever going to get to a really great place where hooking up and dating gorgeous women is somewhat effortless.

RIP GLL, RIP Roosh, RIP Victor Pride, Hell, RIP RSD (nerdy but helpful.)

We're out here on our own now, brothers.

Pretty interesting points Coolguy.

Regarding the parable, I feel like the opposite can be said. It is easier to leave worldly posessions when you have achieved them, than to give up the prospect of achieving success when you are young and full of desire. Also, like you, and many around here, I feel that I need to prove myself that I can achieve things first, and I'm not 'becoming spiritual' because of fear of the world.

There's a saying that the richest man is he who needs less. Arguably, a rich person has covered all his needs, so he is less needy that someone that lives paycheck to paycheck. There's some truth in that. But then there's the common scenario of the guy who is a millionaire but now he feels like he won't be truly rich until he's a billionaire. Repeat the same with girls, gym, etc. The void never ends. Actually, it can happen with spirituality too. I'm certain that there are guys that become attached to not being attached. There is an exception of something external that matters and that is friends or social ties. I do believe this is absolutely essential, and some forms of spirituality lead to an objectively verifiable unhappiness due to social withdrawal.

I think that it hasn't to do with either abundance of material objects or absolute deprivation. Neither you need any external thing to be happy nor there is any kind of dignity about being poor. External achievements are amoral moreso than immoral. They are not not bad, but they're temporary and sensorial. And they are so captivating that they can lead us to do bad things. That's why we have this sense of guilt around those worldly pleasures. There's an interesting relationship between prohibition and temptation, and I think that being too strict almost always leads to an 'ego depletion', and eventually committing a sin that's just as big as the censorship that preceded it (and the reverse may be what happened to Victor)

There's a saying, I think, by Luther that says (I'm paraphrasing) "Beware of those who are too pure, for the greatest evil has come from the best" it pretty much sums up how I feel about extremely spiritual people, it's almost uncanny.

Even the Bible, as it is, isn't so rigid and is open for interpretation (more in the case of money than sex). The Old Testament is more favorable to getting money. But even in the New Testament you have the parable of the talents, which exemplifies the infamous Matthew Effect. It has many interpretations, but one takeaway is that to get rich you need to 'let go' of money (invest it), therefore it's more spiritual than being poor. And the cycle repeats itself.

The Jews and the Prostestant Church in general (although not every cult) has a healthier attitude towards money, as a heavenly reward after years of diligent asceticism. I believe it is one of the best belief systems. The same can be applied to girls or anything gll like, it is an hedonistic desire that makes you a better human being in the way.

45fix wrote: We're out here on our own now, brothers.

Lol, no. Talk about being emotional and overreacting. Your post sounds like a "doomsday prepper", mate.

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