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I've been getting this shit feeling where I completely crash from 3-5pm. I can't get anything done, was trying AA drills today at 4 and it felt like a fucking marathon just to ask a girl for the time. It's always 3-5, sometimes it drags on until 7, then I get a "second wind". But it's absolute hell before then.
I've tried so much shit -- tried working out but my coordination is shit at that time so I can't lift as much. My lunch is pretty healthy. I've even tried taking a nap after lunch but I just get tired again. This has been going on for a couple years now, it's debilitating and I'm not going to live out the rest of my life with this bullshit.
Has anyone experienced this before, or anything similar, and solved it?
170lbs, 10%bf. Currently 160lbs, 14%
20 girls in 2020
Try cutting out ALL caffeine (including Coke - that has lots of caffeine, and tea) - do that for a week and see how you feel. Report back. If that doesn't work, there's other shit you can try (no carbs, getting blood tests to check your iron/iodine/other minerals, etc).
This will be a process of elimination - you'll have to try a bunch of things, and eventually you'll figure it out.
Next, try cutting out carbs, see if that helps. I did "carnivore diet" for a couple months this year, as did my main girl and one of my mates. All of us were blown away by how that tired "brain fog" feeling just disappeared and our energy was consistent. Carnivore diet is also fun as hell - you just eat a shitload of meat and nothing else (throw in a couple of low-carb vegies if you want to).
Are you sleeping enough - and more importantly, sleeping well? Fixing my sleep also massively helped me.
- Use blackout blinds to make your bedroom totally black
- Wear earplugs
- Buy orange glasses (they block blue light which is responsible for keeping you awake). These in particular are a fucking game-changer
- Take half a melatonin tablet 30-60 minutes before bed
Anyway OP try intermittent fasting, or OMAD (one meal a day), with low carb. This is the best diet for mental clarity. Can't speak much on gaining weight with it, but it looks like you aren't lifting right now anyway.
Go until 2PM with ZERO calories. Only tea/coffee, water. Or just water if you're really trying to figure this out.
It's a process of elimination. Everybody is different. Different people react differently to different shit. For instance, if I drink any amount of caffeine, even at 6AM, I have trouble sleeping that night. So I pretty much drink zero caffeine.
I guarantee intermittent fasting will change your relationship with food, and mental clarity as a whole. It only sucks for the first 2 weeks, then you get addicted to the feeling, and will want to push back your eating window as long as possible to keep riding that mental clarity bullet train.
@Andy, @GravyTrain: are you guys saying you don't get any "brain fog" (which I'm interpreting as productivity minimum) in a day by doing those things?
If so, I'll have to figure that out for myself at some point.
I had always thought the ~3pm - 5pm productivity trough was natural. Pretty sure I remember going to a sleep lecture mentioning "sleep drive" (basically melatonin levels) has a local maximum around then. Surprised I can't find a better article than this one, which is shit but sort of explains it:
@OP, if you have a flexible work schedule, go to the gym then. That's what I do - by the time I'm out of the gym I'm amped up and ready to get back to work!
Thanks, lots of good advice. I'll try fixing sleep first and foremost. I've done the blue light glasses for a while, but I don't sleep at a reasonable hour so it's defeating the purpose. Gotta work on that. I also have a bad habit of using my phone too much before/after bed so I'll cut that out pronto.
I don't want to go full carnivore but I'll definitely cut back the carbs. IF isn't practical for me (I've not had got results in the past). So I'll avoid that. But I'll try to eat meals earlier (have a bad habit of eating lunch late, and the post-meal tiredness "stacks" with the 3pm crash if that makes sense).
Exercising at 3 actually seems like a good idea to try and force myself to wake up.
Will try these for a couple weeks and see if it helps.
170lbs, 10%bf. Currently 160lbs, 14%
20 girls in 2020
Diet is on point (zero caffeine, low low sugar (0 is damn near impossible, high high protein)
Sleep is on point (6.5 hours is ideal for me)
No alcohol/drugs in the past 3-4 days (my hangovers last that long)
You need to play with your sleep by seductive reasoning for a long time. Try waking up at the exact same time every day for 1 month. Then try for exactly the same bedtime/wake time for another month, try for exact hours, etc. An app that helped me was called Sleep Cycle, you stick your phone under your bed and set an alarm time you have to be up by. If it notices that you’re getting restless, meaning, you’re probably at the top of a sleep cycle, it’ll wake you up up to 1 hour before the alarm time. If I wake up on top of a sleep cycle (1.5 hours each for me), I fly out of bed and feel great. If I enter another cycle, and wake up in the middle of it, I feel groggy and semi fucked.
Best is when you wake up on your own before the alarm. Youll start waking up on your own before an alarm after a few months of figuring it out, then you’ll basically wake up on your own with no alarm always and that means you’re on top of a sleep cycle. You aren’t gonna wake up on your own in the middle of a sleep cycle, at least I know I won’t.
Play with it for a long time, it’s a journey like anything else.
Thanks for mentioning the sugar! That could definitely be the issue for me.
Caffeine is not an issue: I have a soda once every few months (2 cups of coffee in my life; not into tea). No drugs (unless I'm sick). Alcohol once a week at most and I tend to have 1-2 drinks.
Actually, sleep might be the biggest deal for me. I get 7-8 hours per night. I always wake up before my alarm, usually 3-10 minutes before it. BUT, I'll roll over and go back to sleep so ya probably exiting at a bad point in the cycle.
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