TOPIC: Not just another money vs. pussy post

Hey people... it's funny how I wanna check GLL forum even though the idea of prioritizing girls doesn't even really register. My biggest problem is just general lack of true drive and motivation, goals and purpose. The only reason I come back to see what's up here is because Chris stuff really motivated me like nothing else, made me really dig deep and make changes and face down fears and insecurities... and all of it made my life better. The problem is that I did all that work back in 2015... and since then really haven't lived up to my potential and moved on to bigger and better stuff. I've done interesting things, am doing something pretty sweet now by living in Thailand... It's just I'm not driven with a real goal or purpose like I was before.

So here's the truth... if I could just feel the way I felt post beating AA when I first started to get laid... that's what I'm really after. Just jumping out of bed every morning to take on the day. And it's not even the getting laid thing... it's the being excited about life and this feeling that I can do anything. What happened to me post getting results was I went out and got a good corporate job that just drained me. I was naive about what corporate was really like, especially the type of role I was in. Quit that job and have been drifting ever since.

THE MONEY SITUATION / PROBLEM
Here's whats funny / not so funny... it's getting to the point where my money problem and just general weakness in this area is eating away at me. It's like Chris talked about with the girls if you don't handle it, it follows you around day and night, how you feel about yourself, what you tell yourself in the morning. I'm 38 years old, have had a ton of adventure, lived in 6 countries, done all kinds of cool shit... but my money situation sucks. I can work and live, but I've never actually put money first. I've always kinda told myself "money can't buy happiness" "don't obsess over money" "people who put money first are shallow" "family and friends are most important" "you can't take it with you" and stuff like that.

Now it's gotten to the point where it's just this general disattisfaction, feeling inferior and incapable, not feeling like a man, and not feeling like I will ever get ahead. All the same shit that motivated me to change my girl sitaution a few years ago. I will never say I'm elite with girls, but I'mg getting laid now and know what it takes to get laid, am above average in that area.

SO HERE'S REALLY THE TRUTH AS I SEE IT... although the sex/girls thing can hit deeper inferiorities/weakness than the money thing (because it's relatively easy to just go get a job) improving the girl situation is way easier (provided the guy isn't virgin/total reject, obese/deformed). A relatively decent looking cool guy with the gll stuff can be above average and get laid regularly after beating AA in a month or two and hitting the numbers game. Same guy can become elite with 2 years absolute dedication. COMPARE THIS TO THE MONEY SITUATION... it will take a whole lot longer, and a whole lot more work to get an above average money situation... and as for becoming elite with money... think of the work and dedication. I don't even think it's feasible to say that someone can become elite with money in two years (outside of a bit of genius and right place right time). The money thing really is a grueling long term battle.

THIS IS A COLD MEAN CRUEL WORLD WHERE YOU WILL HAVE TO FIGHT FOR EVERY DIME TO GET AHEAD (although you can find plenty of jobs where you can check in and get paid with minimal to half ass effort). but to get ahead... I really believe you have to scrape and claw. And here's the thing... the bar is so high. So many people are working 60 and 70 hours a week, and some people more. The whole professional class of lawyers, accountants, financial services, etc. all of those guys are slaving every week.

So to start a business... is a fight. I really wish Chris would fill us in on what he is up to but... I can really see how fucking busy the guy is. and I have zero ideas for an actual business that would work, and zero way to really get it going.

So anyway I don't know how to go out into this cold cruel world and make money. I'm honestly thinking about sales. I can't believe I'm even saying this. I'm at the point of saying fuck all the adventure, I'm going to put money first, go absolutely all in, give up everything else, embrace nothing in moderation, and go after it with all I got. I'm scared of it, but in the past when I've really wanted to do something I've went out and done it. The problem is I don't want to be naive about sales the way I was about my corporate job. with my corporate job I thought I could actually make money and have a life... that was not true. But with sales I would basically just accept I won't have a life, that hitting my numbers would be number one. In the little free time stay in relatively decent shape, and date a little but obviously not much. Really just have one girl in my life and rotate/recycle when that ran it's course.

I've heard so many bad things about sales that I'm scared of burnout, as well as just bad companies/situations. But I also have met guys that consistently get paid really well and have the ability to go do it. The get laid thing numbers game is relatively similar... cold calling, keeping options in a pipeline, and sealing deals. It's like handle rejection and move on until you get a yes. But like I've been saying... sleeping with a couple girls a month seems easier than hitting revenue targets.

Who here is in sales? Is this making any sense?

I completely understand you. I'm not as old as you, but I have always struggled to have money in my life.

A part of me says that I want to be rich and drive expensive cars, wear expensive clothing, eat at expensive restaurants. Another part of me says that money doesn't matter, just as you said.

I finally realized that the problem lies with my misaligned intentions. I might say that I want money, but my subconscious intentions that say "money doesn't matter", reign supreme and dictate my life.

I'm positive the same is happening to you.

How do you solve this? Come to terms with your maligned intentions and then align them.

When it comes to making money, I say play your strengths. If you're good at sales, do it. If not, go do something you're good at.

Can’t really answer the post with any pragmatic and simple answer because we don’t know anything about you.

However, clearly, money is an issue for you.

Solution: Make Money.

As for how you should do that, I don’t know, because I know nothing about your skills.

Hopefully you’ve been working on skills the last twenty years and now you’re capable of cashing in on them.

You should always go for a sales job in my opinion. It took me longer to get good with girls than get good at sales, and a lot of the salespeople I know suck at selling, but they still make above average money.

The funny thing is because places like the USA are such a large market, the barrier to entry is really low - you don't actually need a high level of sales sophistication to do well, just good work ethics.

The toughest market to sell in is a small market like NZ where everything is highly incestuous.

Finally, I have no idea why everybody says pick money or pussy. You can have both. I went from 34k a year to 6 figures in 4 years doing sales, and had at least 10 hours spare per week for pussy hunting + 10 hours a week for training.

It sounds like you need to move to a country where being a drone isn't part of the culture eg: NZ AU Switzerland Austria France etc...

Might sound obvious but I say do something that you like, or do something that you're good at

I spent 3 years getting a degree at uni in a field that I like while working as much as I needed to to pay the bills. A lot of work but now after 3 months looking I will have my 2nd job offer, hopefully a 70k a year job at a financial firm doing something I'm GOOD at. I'm good at math so I'm hoping to make my fortune with investment

I think there's a giant opportunity to make money during the next financial crisis, which could come very soon, and you don't need to make more than 50k a year to save up a decent sized fund. Just gotta do your research

But you gotta know yourself and play to your own strengths, always challenge yourself as much as you can take, learn from it along the way. If you're thinking about sales you probably have some ideas of what it takes to be successful, move up, and live the kind of life you want to. It's usually always going to take a bit more effort than we're comfortable giving to get to the next step though

70k an hour? Where do I get me one of these jobs?

Shanghai_Bobby wrote: 70k an hour? Where do I get me one of these jobs?

A year my bad.

I think sales is the go if you're 38 and want the opportunity to make a LOT of money. But you have to realise the job economy is a competitive market. You will be competing with every other salesperson in your company. If you put in more hours, dedication, and focus, then you will be paid more for your efforts. If you want to just get by then you can just get by.

Sales is the perfect example of a job where your rewards almost always equal your input. I can imagine it could be hard and frustrating (personally I would prefer to do door to door sales for a company whos product I believe in... obviously to make it genuine and easy). But you have to look at what it available

Sales is probably the most lucrative job you can get because if you work like a mad man you can rise up really fast. Just realise that pretty much anyone making 100k+ a year is putting in 60-70 hour work weeks or HAS ALREADY put in tons of work to get where they are. There's no real get paid easy trick. Its constant hard work and competition to make money in any field. An average 40/h a week effort will net you an average wage. If you buy sales books, dedicate yourself to learning the skill of sales, and spend all your down time perfecting this skill (within reason - you don't want to burn out) you could be making 100k/year after your first year. Your rewards in life will always equal your efforts and this is ESPECIALLY true in a free market economy (we don't live in a free market but it is somewhat free at least)

If you want to be above the bell curve you're not going to do it by working from 9-5 and then going home to drink beers and watch the game every day. Otherwise we'd all be rich

You need to be more defined. What sales? Mary k, software, pharma, real estate, athletic shoes?

And how do you define financial success? Comfortable middle class at $50k \year? 100? 200? You don't have to kill yourself for 50k. If you have dreams of big ballin 100k+ then you may have to get more extreme in your methods or effort.

But there are already simple paths to a decent income. Engineer or software programmer with 4-5 years college. Both have potential to move into consulting, and programmer could end up working remote from Thailand!

@Shanghai: I believe you work like +10h daily to make 6 figures. How do you learn to organize your time? And most important your sleep? Feels like you don't have almost any free time.

Is all the money earning worth it? I sometimes think that earning 6 figures would be great, but if you don't have time to spend it, there is no point. Other times I feel like earning 2-3k a month enough to live and travel would be sufficient for a happy life.

Cognitive dissonances everywhere.

Its worth it to spend a few years grinding and earning a good living, while saving money so that you can have a good cushion later to do whatever the fuck you want with your life. I think for these stages of work and save money its worth it to have a girlfriend so that you can really focus on work and not on chasing pussy.

Good things.

All of this sales shit came about because I'm living in Thailand now... and I see retired guys at 50. And it's like fuck, these guys killed it, retired early in Thailand and now have a pretty sweet life. I've been doing the expat thing for years, and it's sweet to get adventure but if I stay in Thailand another year I'll just have more adventure but not really be ahead. I don't want to be a working expat or make $1000 remotely. At 38 I just kinda see how nice it is for these guys to cash out at 50.

Let me say... I absolutely see sales as an all in thing... not a 9-5 to cash an average paycheck. I worked for an industrial laundry company in safety management... so corporate grind for not that big a salary. I saw some of the sales reps killing it. Definitely 100k+ working the same 60 hour weeks management was. Difference is they didn't have all guaranteed income, had some commission. I burnt out in management because I was naive about how much time a corporate career takes up, didn't have time for any of my own goals, and wasn't making the big income to justify the sacrifice.

In sales I would go for B2B, probably a bigger size company, corporation. I know the kinda guys that work in sales like that pretty well, I interview well, have decent resume in terms of accomplishments, taught at uni, can sell myself. But I don't have any sales experience so first year I would probably expect to more or less find a job to prove myself. So basically a job relatively similar to the industrial laundry place... base plus commission, car package, well known product that people actually need, multiple salespeople 100k+ in the office. So the people who work hard do well and the formula works out for all involved.

Some of my friends I know that went into sales have said a lot of the same things you guys have. I got a buddy that saved 30k a year for two years right after getting out of rehab. Was making 100k with a telemarketing job, took it seriously, improved and ran with it. The hard thing for me is all INTERNAL. It's no different than improving with the girls thing. All I ever really wanted was a stable job teaching university. I never thought about business or sales or making a lot of money... so I have a lot of doubts and fears and insecurities and I just tell myself that I wouldn't be happy doing it, or that I'd burn out, or that I'd fail. Point is if I'm serious, improve, go in with a plan, and take it personally I think I can do well. But it would take a lot of work to get me there internally with self confidence.

To make it work I would have to tell myself MONEY IS #1. Nobody is going to save for my retirement but me. I can either make it happen now, or I can be a wal-mart greeter when I'm 70 years old. Since money is #1 I can expect to put the bulk majority 60 hours without a doubt into work each week. That's just the way it is. I'm an early riser so a little exercise, meditation, whatever before work, go to work and go all out, after work just go home eat and sleep. With girls, I agree with a relatively stable girlfriend that I won't actually commit to in terms of marriage or co-habitation, just a stable sex partner to fuck and for companionship. Weekends would be time for modest fun in terms of hiking or doing something cool, go out a little, etc. But also just take that time to improve my sales game and learn the trade. So a lot of life would obviously be work. But since that is number one it's what I want to be doing and I would take the success seriously.

It is becoming painful as fuck to be underemployed and poor. I'm just sick of the lack of motivation and just going through the motions with the job I have now just so I can live in Thailand and get some adventure (as awesome as it is). I mean that shit seriously about not retiring and becoming a wal mart greeter. You can forget about pensions in the USA, a lot of people zero retirement savings, and others have no where near enough. It really is a cruel kill or be killed financial world out there. So I just feel like I gotta take responsibility for myself, sacrifice the next handful of years to go after it in sales. I like being an expat so early retirement in southeast asia or South America is a real possibility. Make the sacrifice now for my own long term benefit. It's like people got to work anyway, instead of giving a half assed 40 hours, go after it in sales where the rewards are higher for performance.

The last handful of years Chris has put money first and is building his own freedom. GLL has become hair loss from steroids because he's making more money doing other shit and doesn't have time for GLL, he could lose Happy Hippo and still be fine because the man can create streams of income. In this same time I haven't done jack shit to actually get ahead. Chris is gonna be one of those guys that can totally retire at 50 and do whatever the fuck he wants. Because he took money seriously and put it first. I know I don't got the entrepreneurial savvy that that guy does, but I got to start somewhere. If I'm actually serious about money (and not just say I am) I think it's got to be sales.

Just on my mind is all.

Generally speaking,

Both getting laid and getting money are goals that will take time (years) for most people who don't have a special advantage in either (e.g. really good looking for getting laid and some really exceptional skill for money - insane salesman, math whiz, etc)

However, for those reading - if you can manage (e.g. no burning desire to get laid), I would recommend getting the money first

Imagine just being set and being able to do whatever you want with your time, such as getting laid

I would also highly recommend reading The Millionaire Fastlane and Unscripted by MJ Demarco (more about building businesses vs. a sales job but still)