TOPIC: Thoughts on Kratom

As I am starting to get seriously back into the whole approach thing and GLL, I've noticed a lack of people mentioning kratom recently as opposed to the forum a year or 2 ago. All the guys here who are getting laid (ex. BIB, Chad, and others) don't seem to mention it as well.

Should I then not bother with it? It was apparently some life changing stuff before and now nobody even mentions it. Interested in hearing your thoughts.

Now that you've mentioned it. I've done all my drills on kratom

I've stopped taking Kratom (ironic I know given my handle).

It IS an opiate, or should be classified as one anyway. One of the opiate like effects I got from it was that it completely shut down my sex drive. I couldn't maintain a decent boner on it.

There is study after study showing opiates suppress testosterone. And I felt this was definitely the case with Kratom...I don't think Chris notices that effect because he's on TRT.

The other side effects I had were oily skin, and constipation.

I did enjoy the euphoria/focus that came with Kratom. But it often wore off if I burned daily even with strain rotation. I think some people just have a heavy tolerance for drugs. It was like that with weed for me too. My friends in college would take one hit and be high as a kite. I would need to go through the whole blunt before I felt something...

For me, I just felt like it was an unnecessary crutch. You should be able to positive, motivated and happy without eating ground up tree leaves from the other side of the world.

I've noticed that A LOT of people who used to praise Kratom no longer take it. ex. Victor Pride

My two cents? Try it if you want. Chances are it's not going to be a magic fix for you. And as with any supplement, there is the risk of sides.

It ain't for everyone, that's for sure, BUT it is not an opiate.
It has opioid-like effects and acts on several opoioid receptors but does not come with the respiratory depression or other effects of actual opiates. Most importantly, with kratom more =/= more when it come to getting good effects. With opiates more = more, right up until you OD and die unfortunately.
Opiate drugs also tend to put people in a stoned fog, kratom does not.

I still use kratom regularly and still recommend it to many. I don't think I have ever oversold it though, either here or to my friends.
Kratom can be very useful.
-For me it is the very best pain management substance for chronic pain I know of, and that includes all the prescription opioids. No other painkiller has the combo of great analgesia combined with great functionality and lack of impairment. No way I could drive or go to work with this level of pain relief on an opioid. (For the record I deal with occasional pain from back injuries as well as chronic tendinosis in my knees. Both can be mild or close to debilitating depending on the day).
-Kratom can be great for mood elevation and social interaction but it is not magic. You still have to carry yourself, the kratom won't do it for you. It can help spur you into action a little but you have to want it to begin with.
--Kratom has helped lots of people with addiction, PTSD, and chronic illness.

I think people expect too much from it frankly. Kratom generally is pretty subtle in it's effects and works best when you don't try to get more out of it than that. I think the way some people were hyping it here too many went in with expectations ratcheted up to the highest level. If you go back to Chris' original kratom guide it's all in there, if you read it carefully. He was cautioning against expecting too much and telling people kratom was subtle and that's how you're supposed to enjoy it, not as some blow-you-away game changer.
He also mentioned the long-term effects on T, erections and sex drive for people. I too am on TRT so I don't notice that. All it does is prevent me from orgasm if I take too much. Usually it just helps me have complete control of when I come and allows me to have the longest, most enjoyable sex of my life.