TOPIC: Most "Red Pill" sites seem to be no better than radical feminism

First things first, I'm not trolling. Hear me out and please read fully before commenting.

I'm not big on over-analyzing things beyond the extent where it's practical to do so.
Because the general niche that I write in seems to overlap with the concept of "red pill" info, I decided to do some research into what other people are contributing to this red pill movement on sites such as Reddit. Here's what I found.

Most "Red Pill" sites are not actually self-improvement at all, but literally the opposite. I base this on the fact that most of what I've read (not on this site, I 100% back the information on GLL) is just rampant misogyny. I think that most of those communities and websites consist of men trying to justify why they are not getting laid enough by putting the blame on women. Then they fuel each others' anger and validate each others' fucked up perspectives. It literally just becomes misogyny, no better than radical feminism.

I've slept with a ton of women, and I have no love for feminists. Trust me, I was one of the top-hated guys by the feminist girls in my college (they felt I objectified women I guess), and I find that most modern feminism is just too self-serving and irrelevant; just looking for something to bitch about regarding not getting what they want from the opposite sex. I emphasize this because in my opinion, "Red pill" subreddits, etc. are literally just the male version of radical feminism; just looking for something to bitch about regarding not getting what they want from the opposite sex.

I know some people will feel strongly about this and downvote me and shit but honestly, I'm just saying this as a word of caution for the guys that find themselves drawn into these parts of the web. It's just a rabbit hole you're not going to be able to get yourself out of. The concept of "Red Pill" is great in theory, but it's seems to me that it is 80% misogyny and 20% actual self-improvement. I'm only saying this for your own benefit, don't try to justify why you aren't getting laid by hating on women; It's only going to lead to you making excuses for not getting laid, and serious relationship and self-esteem issues down the road.

Thoughts on this?

This conversation could EASILY be taken overboard by people, but there is some truth here. I'm gonna chime in to hopefully make a positive understanding of it all.

Most guys are stay in shock regarding the truth about the western world for many years and don't how to move on from it. It's not that most of these guys hate women, which ironically feminists are spreading over the internet, but that they hate that they were conned by women and society even they "followed all the rules". So the issue here is that Red Pill sights rely too much on talking about Feminism as to simply how to detach one's self from that which we can't change and being able to enjoy the rest of our lives despite the destruction of culture and other men going on around us.

Guys tend to get stuck not knowing how to circumvent these disadvantages now apparent to them. GLL/D&P/B&D are the bridge that fills the gap between swallowing the Pill and actually making use of the new found knowledge. Too many sites focusing on being passive/defensive, not enough content on how to actually DO something about it. Hint - the Government actually funded feminism in the name of profit, they're no help either.

Most of these dudes are honestly just swallowing the pill, and it comes off as misogyny, as who would feel happy about women right after finding out everything they've been told about them was a lie, and that men are and have been under attack in the west for many decades? However you are right in saying that most guys will never progress past the "anger" stage of grief and thus will never attain happiness. The Red Pill truly isn't for everyone. It took me YEARS (think 2007) to simply accept this fucked up society for what it really is and to move on and focus on improving myself to make the best of it until I relocate permanently. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

Oh, and guys, NEVER listen to a feminist saying she "disagrees with radical feminists, and she's not like that". She's lying to deflect responsibility. ALL feminists are one and the same. They support the same agenda - Men are expendable pawns, children are weapons to use against men, boys are less important than girls, and only Women matter.

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Sorry Ash, but I've got to disagree with some of what you said.

I think people are just looking way too much into this shit, to the extent of conspiracy.

I'm not quite sure what "truths" people think they've discovered. The way I see it, feminists don't have some hidden agenda to take over the world. They are just activists who have a strong opinion regarding equality. Some of their points I agree with (I'm anti-domestic abuse, don't think men should be stoning women to death for being raped in certain countries, etc.) while some of their points are (in my opinion) pushing it (anti-slut-shaming, etc.). People are just feeling the need to make politics out of it for no reason.

Perhaps I'm more realistic because I have a strong academic background in psychology and evolutionary studies and have more insight into how social interactions between men and women are actually driven, but for fucks sake the shit I'm reading on there is some of the worst advice I've ever encountered. Most of these guys have no clue what the fuck they are talking about. It's far worse than the "PUA communities" of guys with neckbeards and fedoras teaching you to get laid by "peacocking" and giving "backhanded compliments." Fucking lame.

Just to highlight this issue, I'll mention that I actually have an acquaintance from college who just started a "Red Pill" site of his own. He's fucked less than 5 girls in the entirety of his life, and has subpar social skills at best. But people are going to go to his website and take his advice because they're bitter and looking for a way to justify not getting their way, rather than taking action.

That's true, but...

1. Males and females are biologically different. Brain = biology. So they are also psychologically different.

2. Males are dominant naturally. Females are submissive naturally.

Therefore if something wants to invert this, this is wrong. (Feminism.) Women are weak without the support of the State. You think women could be this bitchy and annoying without the help of the State ? They would better shut up and try to please men just in order to survive !

3. Women never created anything useful for mankind. Don't say this is because they were forbidden to do it by society, because many MALES slaves/serves/proletarians created many things while they were oppressed.

Can you name a great female musician ? (We are not talking about interprets.)
Can you name a great female scientists besides Marie Curie ?
Can you name a great female humorist (that is actually funny) ?
Can you name a great female painter ?
Etc.

Leopard wrote:
3. Women never created anything useful for mankind. Don't say this is because they were forbidden to do it by society, because many MALES slaves/serves/proletarians created many things while they were oppressed.

Can you name a great female musician ? (We are not talking about interprets.)
Can you name a great female scientists besides Marie Curie ?
Can you name a great female humorist (that is actually funny) ?
Can you name a great female painter ?
Etc.

Sigh... There's some real caveman thinking on this board sometimes.

Leopard wrote: That's true, but...

1. Males and females are biologically different. Brain = biology. So they are also psychologically different.

2. Males are dominant naturally. Females are submissive naturally.

Therefore if something wants to invert this, this is wrong. (Feminism.) Women are weak without the support of the State. You think women could be this bitchy and annoying without the help of the State ? They would better shut up and try to please men just in order to survive !

3. Women never created anything useful for mankind. Don't say this is because they were forbidden to do it by society, because many MALES slaves/serves/proletarians created many things while they were oppressed.

Can you name a great female musician ? (We are not talking about interprets.)
Can you name a great female scientists besides Marie Curie ?
Can you name a great female humorist (that is actually funny) ?
Can you name a great female painter ?
Etc.

1. I agree with this and have a very strong academic background in psychology and evolutionary studies, specifically. I know all about evolutionary differences in psychology which is why, for example, I understand that slut-shaming will always be a thing and it's a lost cause for feminists to fight that. Women are biologically more selective with few mates due to having much higher parental investment in the child (one child every 9 months), while men are more likely to seek multiple partners because they can just nut and dip, essentially spreading their DNA all over. However, not all people are that educated on this and people bring up a lot of bullshit "pseudo-psychology" based on their own opinions, which I don't agree with.

2. Yes men are more dominant naturally and women more submissive. This is also from physiological differences in both the brain and body build and chemistry.

The points you bring up past this I've got to disagree with, however. Seems like you slipped into a bit of a misogyny rant lmao.... It's clear you have a very negative view of women and are convinced that they are inferior to men in all ways. I think this is sort of what I was pointing out with the topic to begin with. I can't really see why people feel the need to turn these things into political agendas that don't serve them in any kind of growth or success...

@Tyson - Yeah some guys do use it as escapism but most guys are legit stuck. Feminism is an utter cancer on society. Also most of these domestic violence cases being made public are bullshit. Feminists openly support men being made into second class citizens. There are videos on YouTube and police reports across the country and Canada and the U.K. made by guys attacked by feminists in public events or protests. Also the founders of feminism are ALL lesbian women who hated men. This was in their own words. They have archived documentaries, interviews, books and articles that can researched throughly. It's never been about equal rights, always superior rights. Women are in no way oppressed in the west. Also feminists for the most part won't even touch on Middle East affairs, because the fact women don't deal with that here would highlight their false narrative.

@Leopard actually there have been women to do significant things in history, lol

But yea, I'm done with this thread. I just had to speak my peace about it all.

For the guys reading this, it's not meant to be negative, this info I wrote is simply letting you guys know what's out there behind the illusion of equality. Understand none of this agenda is personal it's all for profit for big business and government. Understanding the game (swallowing the pill) and knowing how to win by not playing their game, but making your own game (GLL/D&P/B&D) is all you need.

Now get off this thread and get to work!

Edit: I'm calling it now, this thread is gonna have to get locked. Discussion of something like this here is on par with Religion and Politics. It's bound to go wrong. This should have been posted from the angle of "Here's what's wrong with the West, and here's how to survive the decline".

GCT wrote:

Leopard wrote:
3. Women never created anything useful for mankind. Don't say this is because they were forbidden to do it by society, because many MALES slaves/serves/proletarians created many things while they were oppressed.

Can you name a great female musician ? (We are not talking about interprets.)
Can you name a great female scientists besides Marie Curie ?
Can you name a great female humorist (that is actually funny) ?
Can you name a great female painter ?
Etc.

Sigh... There's some real caveman thinking on this board sometimes.

Good ad hominem.


And of course women are inferior. Both physically and intellectually. It's a fact.

Or did they lie to me ?

And ad hominem cannot do anything against facts.

But I agree that most red pill sites are about complaining and not doing anything.

xxx

My suspicion is that the fundamental flaw with a lot of manosphere ranting is that guys think it's going to give them more control with girls, and/or help them get better at laying girls. That's an absolutely invalid assumption. Are girls weaker? Very likely, in many ways. All right, got it. Are they followers? Yes. Are women much less prolific inventors and creators of significant additions to the world, now and historically? Very likely. But many (most) guys that know all that, still don't feel in control of them or get laid as much as they want.

Going to the manosphere and engaging in the rant is ineffective, because it doesn't help ranters get what they're looking for. Not including Leopard necessarily, he's on this site taking action I expect, but most of those guys are probably wasting time and brain cells. That's my guess. GLL is one of the sites that is a real remedy to that imho.

One exception, as Ash pointed out- knowing the way the game is set up against men in the western world is essential. Need to know that, and internalize it. But after that, it's time to take action, not rant. Not put girls down.

Lmao I can't help but feel like some kind of social justice warrior at this point, but I'm just realistic...

"And of course women are inferior. Both physically and intellectually. It's a fact."

In all fairness, I've never read any scientifically credible articles regarding objective male superiority. And I'm pretty well-informed.

Obviously due to testosterone levels men should typically be stronger than women, but if you check out female bodybuilders or MMA fighters, there are many that would put you to absolute shame. And other female athletes such as gymnasts or even fucking dancers likely have far superior athletic ability (ie more/stronger connections of motor neurons) than yourself, assuming you are a relatively average guy.

Intellectually we're about equal, with male and female brains differing in certain areas of brain power. There are some things men are better at and some things women are better at. There is a lot of science behind this, so it doesn't actually need to be debated at all. Men have larger brains, but not more powerful ones; If size was the only factor whales would rule the world.

I'm not coming at you personally, but I think you're misinformed.