TOPIC: Advice on 2nd and 3rd dates

Alright so 2 days ago I used Shanghai 1st date model, btw thanks man! It's definitely more my style for now just starting to do this again. She had a ring and I asked if I could see it and was caressing the finger the ring was on. Then later I straight up asked if I could see her hand and she was confused for a second (not weirded out) but gave me her hand anyways and I started to talk about her hands and started to caress them again. We finished our drinks and placed my arm around her shoulder and midway started to guide her and hold her hand to her car. I ended the date with a hug and kissed her (lips).

Actually after the date she actually text me first and said she had a great time and hopefully we could meet up soon wink emoji. Now 2nd date I suggested to pick her up and catch a movie. She said how bout dinner instead because she works 6 or 7 am. This is legit because I actually met her online that time. I suggested this unique food court that has sofas so we could be closer to each other. This place is about 12 mins from my place and we're gonna meet at 7:30 pm on Sunday. The place I chose is middle point for us and she kinda lives far from me like 25 mins.

A part of me wants to cancel the date do Monday earlier time like straight after work for her and closer to my place (logistics)? Also, dinner can get in the way of being physical honestly and think a movie is better. What places are good for 2nd dates after 1st date was at a bar and drinks? Also what places for 3rd dates? Or just keep plans and be physical with her and kiss a lot and ask her if she wants to come to my place for a movie? Gut feeling she's gonna say she gotta work early honestly, so thinking of just ending it with lots of kissing and touching by her car which I am ok with. I am actually being serous, that's better than me jacking off & watching porn to end the night.

Just wondering if I should go for 2nd or 3rd day for lay but I feel like only way is to feel it out day by day. I am more on retaining this one and casually date her while still going on dates and going for lays. Also 2nd time or 3rd meeting, when you're starting to get physical is it better to make out or talk sexual or both for my purposes? How do you usually bring up sex topics during making out? I thought about bringing up casual relationships because she said yes if they're reliable on okcupid. Thanks guys.

Best place for second date is at your place. Invite her over to share some wine or cook together or relax and watch a movie or whatever. If your place isn’t an option for whatever reason invite yourself over to her place. If she says no she’s not comfortable or whatever (rare if you’re doing things right) then a bar near your place so you can take her there after and escalate. Going out for movies or dinner before the relationship has started are usually steps in the wrong direction, wouldn’t recommend to anyone, but experienced guys can sometimes make it work.

We actually don't text much with each other but if anything she has always initiated so far. I do some small talk just to keep the rapport and feels like she's chasing me. I want to keep it that way.

Honestly, you should be thinking about fucking this girl, not about building "rapport".

don3 you need to actually read the material on this site before you post to the forum asking questions like this.

Go read GLL articles, they perfectly explain why all this stuff you're talking about is unnecessary, counterproductive, and just generally a waste of your time and anyone who took the time to read this post.

Sir yes sir. 2nd date I have to feel her horniness and I will pull the trigger trying to take her home the instant I get that. I am thinking of making the date 30 minutes; just in case she changes her mind and she says she gotta wake up early.

Not sure if we should get drinks there. Or say hey let's go to my place and chill for a little bit. Once we get there, I offer her soju. Not sure if alcohol will make a difference at this point.

don3 wrote: Sir yes sir. 2nd date I have to feel her horniness and I will pull the trigger trying to take her home the instant I get that. I am thinking of making the date 30 minutes; just in case she changes her mind and she says she gotta wake up early.

Not sure if we should get drinks there. Or say hey let's go to my place and chill for a little bit. Once we get there, I offer her soju. Not sure if alcohol will make a difference at this point.

Be Aggressive, Don't Worry About Being Smooth

I think this is your issue right here. You are too concerned with appearing polite and agreeable to this girl rather than actually seeing if she's DTF. You are waiting for "the right moment" when none really exists. 2nd date should be at your place where you already assume that she's coming over to fuck and then act accordingly until she stops you or leaves.

tjfromnyc didn't see your post until I got home.

So 2nd date is a learning experience and I really needed it.

At the end of the date, She basically gave hints "I am not looking for a relationship" because I was appearing of looking for one. I actually tried to set up for 3rd date near her car but 1st she said "she had a bunch of stuff going on this week" (one of those hints I caught it at the instance) and 2nd said "next 3 weeks is crazy."

She did say after all that "maybe next monday or tuesday", meaning if she has a flow of guys, dates, & how she feels about me is how I interpret that. With that said, I am doing the god damn same thing. I said, "well alright maybe, I'll have to look at my schedule." because I knew what she was doing and even if we agreed at that moment she won't meet up. I feel like we both knew we were bsing each other, so touche. Somewhere in the convo she said text me.

I texted her when I got home said had a good time and she texted had a good time too and said so I want to let you know that I'm not trying to avoid you but have surgery on Friday and blah blah blah and if I'm still up for it she'd love to go on a date in 3 weeks.

I know some people here, say drop her number and talk to more girls. Some guys say keep her number, talk to more girls and message her sometime in the future. Doing the second option, so I won't text this chick but if she texts me back how should I handle it every time? Also, when should I try to initiate text to meet up with her again?

The more dates you have with a singular girl (without action), the drier her pussy gets.
Multiply this factor with the time passed in between dates.
And you might just get the Sahara one of these days.

What did you actually try to do on the date? Hold her hand or try to kiss her? Did you try to pull? Or did you just spent the whole thing talky-talky? These are the questions you should examine.
If you didn't try much you should aim for that in the future, to be aggressive and assertive and congruent with your objective.
(Which is to smash pussy)
Don't plan escalation further along the road, do the escalation at the moment.

To plan a date 3 weeks in advance is weird, even more so when "nothing" happened.
Don't expect much from it.
No one knows his schedule 3 weeks in unless you work for the army or the government.

For your questions, if a girl likes you, she won't give a fuck about when you initiate text, she'll be waiting for your text.
I'm on the side of "strike the iron while it is hot".

Also as a rule of thumb, if a girl texts you or calls you to ask you what you're doing, assume that she's looking for some D and propose a date straight to your place.

For now, don't necessarily delete the number, who knows, you might just hit her up and get somethin'
But even if you want to see her again, talking to other girls is a necessity either way.

No doubt, talking to girls (numbers game) as in flooding those messages, getting numbers, setting up dates, etc is more productive every time than "trying to work on anybody." This girl is def doing the numbers game too.

I was caressing her hand, when I got tired I laid my hand and hers close to her inner thigh; she was digging that. Tried the movie/music at my place saying, but she knew what that meant in her eyes. I probably didn't touch her inner thigh long enough.

As we were walking outside, somewhere in the middle, started making out with her and I should of at that moment probably tried the "movie at my place" and took her hand and walked to my car? She was digging the make out session like when I first tried going for inner thigh.

Recently went on a date w/ a diff girl. My first time, I actually had 2 dates on the same day, 2nd girl flaked but 1st girl met with me. Meeting girls now close to my pad, this puts less pressure and I realized at times during the date I would be thinking about logistics, which takes me away from the moment I am with the girl.

Date was maybe 30 mins shorter than usual so I am working on that. I realized the longer the dates plus less touching really takes out the "sexiness" or what Plisken was talking about above. I didn't waste time and right when we sat I was leg to leg with her. I had my hand on her leg within a minute, I was hugging her and had my hand on her neck caressing it. Waited for her to finish her beer and ended the date and said I'll walk her to her car.

When we got to her car, we talked super short then I was ready to say bye. I got close trying to kiss her and she gave me a hug instead. Right there and then I grabbed her again, same resistance, to go for the kiss but she kissed me. I don't know it just happened for me to do that; I think her wearing a loose top made me do it because it screamed easy access to me and I wanted her. So like after she was talking for maybe a minute after that, I don't even remember what she was talking about because I was thinking how to get her to my car. I then said hey let me show you my car and I just opened my car door and she actually just went in. I told her I was getting some munchies and went through a drive thru close to my house and told her let me show you my house cuz I live close by. I just parked and said hey let's eat this real quick at my place.

Anyways encountered lots of LMR. She said let's save it for next time and was cool about it. She wasn't weird about it and never acted as if I was gonna rape her. I was going through her pants grabbing her ass and kissing her aggressively. But anytime I went for her pussy or boobs it was lots of LMR and I tried going for both at least 10 times if not more and finally I just decided to take her back to her car.

I gotta say because she was into me like times during the date I would put my hand in between her legs and she would squeeze my hand with her legs. If this girl wasn't into me, probably wouldn't given me this much windows of opportunity. So keeping things "sexy" (physicality) makes them more into you I felt, definitely keeping this mindset for next dates. Of course some form of interest has to be a prerequisite first. In the end again, learned a lot from this experience much more progress from my last dates.

That night I suggested 2nd date for her to come over for dinner and wine and she's down.

Nice work, good progress on this date. Would try to be more aggressive on the next date and get further and further each time.