TOPIC: Summary of all my dates before I lose it

EDIT: I'll be updating this thread with every date until I lose the v-card.

Made a thread about my first date ever last week, now it looks like I'll have 2-3 this week, that in of itself is a very good thing, if I can regularly get a few dates every month, I should be able to lose my virginity before the end of the year.

Rooster's guide has been very useful, I didn't read the dating part before my first date but reading it now I'm going to try and implement as much as I can from it.

What I've learned so far.
- NO handshake, I always did this, especially with girls I like
- Just go for the hug? Since we'll be meeting at a starbucks, this might look awkward. Also, to be honest that would take a lot of courage. Maybe that's exactly why I should do it? I don't know, I'd love to hear what you guys think.
- Have some questions/conversational topics in mind

The biggest hurdle is still logistics, I don't have a place I can take her back to. Any ideas on how I could work around this?

Good job with what you've done so far man

Where are you living now- is it your parents? Would they completely stop you if you brought a chick over?

I think you should just aim for a girlfriend for the moment.

If the girl is your gf, there is no reason you cannot bring her to your parents' place (or hers). Unless your/her parents are very stupid and want to control your life.

Instead of making a new thread, I'll just keep updating this one so it's pretty much a progress thread now.

Today's date flaked on me but I was able to setup another one for this Friday.

Leopard wrote: I think you should just aim for a girlfriend for the moment.

If the girl is your gf, there is no reason you cannot bring her to your parents' place (or hers). Unless your/her parents are very stupid and want to control your life.

No girl is going to want to pin down a virgin as her boyfriend. From my understanding, the best way to keep a girl is to fuck her well, Going from virgin to girlfriend just seems like a big leap for me right now.

DO NOT get in your own head about the 'fucking her well' thing. How 'well' you fucked her is largely dependent on how much she likes you. There was a below average looking girl that was AFTER ME in college. I'd only have sex with her when I was super drunk, all my friends made fun of me. On her 20th birthday she got stupid drunk and started yelling about how I made her cum 5 times. I absolutely guarantee you that my skill had nothing to do with her orgasms. She just liked me so much that she made herself cum (which is what happens when you fuck girls way below your looks level).

Retention is affected by how cool of a person you are.
If you're fun to hang out with ---> more likely to retain.
If you have lots of money ----> more likely to retain.
If you have an awesome looking pad ----> more likely to retain.
And yes, being good in bed ---> more likely to retain, but it's only one of many factors.

I may not be a cold approach demon, but I have still fucked 29 girls by age 23. Of those 30 I retained about 10. The reason I lost 2/3 girls is because I was legitimately not a cool person (depressed, room a giant mess, many loser friends).

Retention is largely a result of "having your shit together". Chris would probably attest to this. That's where boyfriend potential comes in.

The reason I mention this is because guys are super self conscious about their penises and sexual prowess. That's why so many dudes lie out their asses about how they're Sex Gods. Don't beat yourself up if a girl doesn't stick around thinking "I'm terrible in bed and my penis is too small god I hate myself". It's just as likely she left because your kitchen is slimy and you leave your clothes all over the floor.

DeathStrike wrote:
No girl is going to want to pin down a virgin as her boyfriend. From my understanding, the best way to keep a girl is to fuck her well, Going from virgin to girlfriend just seems like a big leap for me right now.

Oh yeah? And what experience do you have that drew you to this conclusion?

GCT wrote:

DeathStrike wrote:
No girl is going to want to pin down a virgin as her boyfriend. From my understanding, the best way to keep a girl is to fuck her well, Going from virgin to girlfriend just seems like a big leap for me right now.

Oh yeah? And what experience do you have that drew you to this conclusion?

Lost the first girl I ever kissed due to inexperience

DeathStrike wrote: Instead of making a new thread, I'll just keep updating this one so it's pretty much a progress thread now.

Today's date flaked on me but I was able to setup another one for this Friday.

Leopard wrote: I think you should just aim for a girlfriend for the moment.

If the girl is your gf, there is no reason you cannot bring her to your parents' place (or hers). Unless your/her parents are very stupid and want to control your life.

No girl is going to want to pin down a virgin as her boyfriend. From my understanding, the best way to keep a girl is to fuck her well, Going from virgin to girlfriend just seems like a big leap for me right now.

You understand nothing.

If you don't want help, don't ask for help.

Leopard wrote:

DeathStrike wrote: Instead of making a new thread, I'll just keep updating this one so it's pretty much a progress thread now.

Today's date flaked on me but I was able to setup another one for this Friday.

Leopard wrote: I think you should just aim for a girlfriend for the moment.

If the girl is your gf, there is no reason you cannot bring her to your parents' place (or hers). Unless your/her parents are very stupid and want to control your life.

No girl is going to want to pin down a virgin as her boyfriend. From my understanding, the best way to keep a girl is to fuck her well, Going from virgin to girlfriend just seems like a big leap for me right now.

You understand nothing.

If you don't want help, don't ask for help.

I'm sorry if that came across the wrong way. I know I have a lot to learn.

I had another flake, still keeping in touch with her through text on the phone, she's actually hot and I don't want to give up too easily.

The way I used to think, the first sign I got from a girl that she wasn't interested, I'd give up. I don't know if that was right or wrong but I know that behavior stemmed from a fear of rejection. I'm at the point now where the desire to succeed is greater than that fear of failure so I'm not going to give up so easily.
Could have been better. I made some really stupid mistakes.
- went to wrong address
- missed her name (it was the very first thing in her profile)
- didn't go for the hug

I attribute most of this to poor planning. I should start confirming with the girls earlier in the day if they're still good to go and not 1-2 hours beforehand.

I have the next 2-3 days booked with dates but I've nearly saturated POF so in the future I'll probably be lucky to just get 1 date per week. Still better than zero.

For the next date, I'm just going to make going for the hug the only goal, if I can make that happen, I'll have made progress.

I didn't go for the hug because this was a really shy girl, she barely made eye contact and barely talked.

I'm not entirely sure why she was shy but I had to keep the conversation going the entire time and that was no fun so I ended things a bit early.

I'm used to meeting confident girls so this was something different. It was still good practice but I feel let down that I didn't go for the hug, I should have tried at the end.

I'll get it right eventually!

This girl was not really attractive but she wasn't fat/hideous either. She had a good head on her shoulder, seemed intelligent and seemed more interested in me than any girl so far.

I liked her as a person, I liked her personality and character. The date lasted 1.5 hours, also the longest one so far. I had to end it cause I needed to get to my next one.

It was kind of a rough start in the beginning. When I first met her, I couldn't go for the hug, I was sitting down as she walked into Starbucks. I already had a drink and told her to grab one as well and we'd then go for a walk, so then she goes and waits in line, it was kind of awkward while I was sitting there waiting. Should I have had a different approach?

However, everything was smooth sailing after that and most importantly, I went for the hug when we were leaving and it was so easy, it seemed like she was expecting it. Hugging her felt really good. She texted me right after about some youtube video.

TLDR;
I know she's into me and I like her as a person but it's just her looks that leave me with some doubt. I have mixed feelings about this. Any advice? I'd really appreciate any guidance I can get on this.
Fat girl with a bad personality, ended this one early.