TOPIC: Why all the hate for plastic surgery here?

Every time somebody mentions it, a couple of guys go insane over it and talk about it like it's the worst thing that one could ever do - How many of you have really researched it? Read statistics, seen before/after pictures, videos or people in real life ? I think that you know like 10 stupid celebs who did it all wrong and you are basing everything on that. It's like saying that you shouldn't take steroids because you will end up looking like this guy:

i.imgur.com/7TN5nBn.jpg

Because the guys who post about it are considering $10,000 procedures and thinking that if they get an unnecessary procedure done their results with women will suddenly take a positive 180, which isn't the case for the specific people who have been criticized for it.

I remember some fat pedo looking guy blaming his cheeks or his jaw for not getting laid meanwhile he evidently had put no effort into his appearance or style at all.

75% of the guys I've seen complaining they need surgery to get an artificial jaw line were like 20% body fat lol it was getting ridiculous how deluded some guys are. Basically, we try to deter people from surgery because they are planning to spend thousands of dollars (that could be used for food, gym membership, new stylish clothes, etc.) without actually addressing what is really causing them to not get laid.

If someone actually had a horrible deformity and that was the main reason they weren't getting laid I would be all for getting it surgically fixed.

maybe because the people recommending it are fking obsessed like yourself, you´ve always got another procedure and problem to fix, endless loop of expensive bullshit. not to mention I bet you´re one of those guys who thinks it´s all in the face and if you just get one more procedure you´d be golden, also based on that picture you linked of a ¨steroid user¨ I´m gonna go out on a limb and assume you have never even stepped foot in a gym.

Can you show me a single guy here with below 5 face that is actually getting laid ? Make that below 6 face. High status/money doesn't count.
Because I can show a lot of examples from this forum of guys that are in great shape, style maxed and virgins or have below 3 lays.

Somewhat decent looking girl (a 6) can get 8 guy for ONS in minutes, why on earth would she go for looks matched guy on dating site like many of you guys here think will work ? Or even worse, below average looking guys that overrate themselves for 2-3 points and then wonder why there are no results.

www.goodlookingloser.com/forums/rooster-...still-no-luck-advice

Recent example, "ive even been hitting up girls i know for a fact are -2 and -3 compared to me and still nothing." I am curious how this guy sees himself ... Scleral show, long philtrum,bad lips,above average asymmetry, weak jaw/chin. All the flaws even "average" guy doesn't have - His body is already above average and even best style doesn't really make 3-4 points difference he needs too hookup with decent girls.

www.goodlookingloser.com/forums/look-goo...rogression?start=180

Another guy with below 5 face, amazing body, stylemaxed for months and.... 1 lay ?

Then this guy creates tinder and insta A TON of interested girls:


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Most go like this:




My point being, if you have below 6 face all the improvement will make very little difference. And the only real way to improve face is with surgery.



He wasn't deformed in anyway before, but he went from "creep get away" to insta wet pussy. Probably spent 15-20k if not more. It's not cheap, but life transforming when done properly.

And your point is? Do you think the 18-21 year olds on here have 30k to drop on facial reconstruction? Even if they did, it is hardly a guarantee of getting laid. Posting tinder convos with chicks is useless. I could post dozens of sexual conversations I have had with girls on POF that didn't end up converting into lays, it is pointless.

30k would be much better spent maximizing other things before resorting to plastic surgery, and even if a guy did get plastic surgery, is it going to fix him being short, being fat, having the style of a homeless person, not being able to approach girls, not having killer instinct to actually get the lay? No it is not!

I know a few guys who look as good as the dude you posted and guess what, they don't get laid at all because they don't TALK TO WOMEN. Even if they did, you would be surprised on their ratio that converts to lays. You act like if you look like the dude you posted a before and after of you would get no pussy, then instantly be swimming in it after. You are delusional and that isn't the case.

Yes if you have an uglier face your results will be worse, however, that doesn't stop people on here from trying to maximize their chance of getting the highest quality of pussy. I've seen a few of these before and after photos of guys saying what they would look like with jaw implants etc and I can guarantee their results would almost be the same. Fat bald guys will still be fat and bald after getting a fucking cheek implant it won't make their results skyrocket. The before and after you posted the guy had acne in the before photo too and then seems to have perfect skin in the second photo which will make a difference in his results too which isn't even plastic surgery related. How do you know if you don't have a jawline if you have never got under 10% body fat lol you know how many guys just have bad faces due to the fact that they are fat? It makes a huge difference and everyone thinks oh I need surgery to fix this, meanwhile their diet and training is terrible and they are sitting at 20% bodyfat with neckfat blubbering over their jaw.

dc7 wrote: Because the guys who post about it are considering $10,000 procedures and thinking that if they get an unnecessary procedure done their results with women will suddenly take a positive 180, which isn't the case for the specific people who have been criticized for it.

I remember some fat pedo looking guy blaming his cheeks or his jaw for not getting laid meanwhile he evidently had put no effort into his appearance or style at all.

75% of the guys I've seen complaining they need surgery to get an artificial jaw line were like 20% body fat lol it was getting ridiculous how deluded some guys are. Basically, we try to deter people from surgery because they are planning to spend thousands of dollars (that could be used for food, gym membership, new stylish clothes, etc.) without actually addressing what is really causing them to not get laid.

If someone actually had a horrible deformity and that was the main reason they weren't getting laid I would be all for getting it surgically fixed.

Nail on the head.

Lmao @ 'fat pedo looking guy'.

The guys who bang on about facial surgery blah blah are the fucking losers on PUAHate. We don't want you here - fuck off. You're negative parasites.

I'm far from a male model. I'm good looking in a rugged sense but I don't have symmetrical features, I have a large crooked nose, I don't have a square jaw, and I'm under 6 foot. I can get laid with decent to good looking girls. What's your excuse?

I have no hate for plastic surgery.

I've gotten a few hair transplants and they have been great.

If there is any hate - it's toward the geeksquad that like to talk about plastic surgery (and what a difference it will make!) and they have no money or intention of getting it. (or doing anything to help themslves)

you should get into good shape sub 8% body before you consider any surgery.

I completely agree with dc

Read this.
www.goodlookingloser.com/forums/look-goo...bout-plastic-surgery

If you have everything l mentioned there, you can consider it, if not, your time and money can be spent on better way to become attractive.

Face is important, but if you dont have most of the 5 things on the other thread, surgery wont do much for you.

That $30000 could be spent on something more productive assuming the person is not physically deformed or incredibly ugly.

If you really do have all 5, go for it, if this is what you want. Then come back here and tell us how it has affect your results.

We dont want too much talking about this here because it put wrong ideas and goals in newbies that dont even talk to girls that think that once they have a bigger jaw, pussy will rain on them, which is totally false. It also push guys to innaction. just waiting for their magic surgery theyll never get cause they are fucking losers who do nothing to improve their lifestyle.

So do it, but when you talk about it make it clear that you already had all those 5 things and dont advise it to new guys.

I also doubt you have all 5 because if you would, you would not be here talking about jaw unless you are below average face wise... but thats your business.

How do you know you are going to gain a whole point from surgery? I think surgery is very extreme (especially considering the price), just so that you can potentially bang the same quality chicks as your good looking friend (which in all honesty, probably won't happen even after surgery). You'll regret it when you realise your mates still banging the hotter chicks, even after you've gotten the surgery.

And the before and after picture doesn't really sell it to me. He looks fine in both the pictures (except the first picture is taken at a weird angle, he has a shit haircut, and spots on his face). And the guy that apparently does really well on Tinder, looks like a gay.

And it's amusing that you are copying and pasting stuff from Blocked by administrator. That website is just fore pure entertainment, 90% of the stuff they talk about is bullshit. You are not going to unlock a whole new quality of life after surgery.