TOPIC: How do you stop hating girls? how do you remove your bitterness, resentment

and hatred of them? now don't get me wrong, i don't hate them in the sense that i'm gay, that i'm a fag, i hate them because i was too much of a pussy myself in my teens, formative years, and still am somewhat in my 20's, basically it's kinda more jealous, envy of girls since they can get away being passive while us guys can't, and deep inside it is anger, rage at myself for not taking enough action earlier, for not being more assertive earlier and for not having that killer instinct earlier, i often feel that i will never be able to remove the emotional, mental scars, wounds, of missing out on dating, relationships, sex in my late teens and early 20's.

It's like even if i ever do start having the type of dating life/sex life i had always wanted, like lets say i do eventually end up getting a hot, cute, pretty or decent looking attractive girlfriend, and i'm walking with her, holding hands in public and i see couples out there younger than me, it will be a painful reminder of what i didn't get to experience earlier, basically it's just kicking myself for being too much of a pussy earlier(as much as i dread, hate, despise, loathe that word, on how it is labeled on us guys if we are being passive), now i don't hate them as in blaming them, it's more jealousy of them on how they can get away with being passive while guys can't.

I know i shouldn't worry about that because i'm a guy and their girls, but another thing, i often times feel i probably would have had more success with girls in the past if it was socially-acceptable to committ rape, like if we could just be allowed to grab a girl by the arm or hair against her will, since after all, they say back when we humans lived in caves, we just got our club and hit a girl over the head and dragged her back to our caves, if that was still allowed today i'm sure for me getting laid, getting a girlfriend would be a hell of a lot easier, that type of aggressiveness sounds a hell of a lot easier than having to go over and talk to her, flirt with her, having to do all or most of the talking, keeping the conversation alive and be very careful you don't say anything stupid, boring, etc., but nope, we live in a more civilized society today which means guys who grew up introverted, socially-awkward, socially-isolated, are gonna have to work much harder to get a girlfriend, get laid.

I will admit, because i'm 24, almost 25, never had a girlfriend, i'm not a virgin though but i've only had sex by paying for it with escorts.

In some ways i'm kinda jealous, envious of how girls are valued for their youth more than guys are, this is why:

" When women are young, in their late teens and throughout their 20's, some extent early 30's, which are womens peak fertile child-bearing years, women have loads and tons of options for dating, have men hitting on them, approaching them, asking them out left and right, front and behind, it means that it is an almost for certain guarantee that women will not miss out on their youth.

Yes I know that when you are on the receiving end, it means you are not literally going after what you want, you are only limited to the ones that approach you, but since women have so many options when they are young, a handful of those options are definetley bound to be guys in which there is mutual attraction involved, since most women, have had their share of ex-boyfriends by their mid-20's to early 30's, and why did they end up being in relationships with their exes in the first place? because there was mutual attraction duh!

If a man wants to prevent himself from missing out on his youth, he better be hardcore assertive and go out a lot, be putting himself out there often and consistently, have good social skills and conversation-skills, good confidence and self-esteem, a big social circle, which he will need for the rest of his life but unfortuneately some guys develop those traits later on in life, meanwhile those traits are not nearly as important for women to have since being socially awkward, socially-inept, introverted does not screw a womans chances of getting a date, a relationship as it does a man since women don't have to be the initiators.

Yes I know that if you only do the accepting of offers(which is womens role), then you are limited in your choices. If you make the offers you can select who gets them(which is mens role), thus controlling that end of it, but women have the final say, they just have to welcome or deny advances, that doesn't require much social effort, social intelligence.

I know i shouldn't be comparing or talking about the advantages that girls have because i'm a guy, but still, i feel i wasted most of my youth which i will sadly never get back, this is an area of life in which I am jealous, envious of women because they are far less prone than men are to missing out on dating, relationships sex in their teens and 20's, because whenever you hear of people being a virgin still, never having a relationship with the opposite sex in their late 20's and older, 30+ years of age, you generally hear more male late bloomers than female late bloomers, or maybe men are just more vocal about it than women are, I don't know, but it does seem there are more male late bloomers than female late bloomers, which is something i'm bitter, jealous, envious of women about since their youth almost for certain guarantees they won't miss out on dating, relationships, sex in their teens and 20's. Many Dating Coaches/Guru's say they know of many guys in their 30's who have never had a first date, can the same be said for women? unlikely since they don't have to be the initiators.

The way I see it, for guys, men, it's literally a matter of knowing how to get a date or relationship, sex, for women it's not a matter of knowing how, because approaching, making the first move, starting conversation, leading the interaction, initiating/escalating, taking the god damn fuckin' lead, etc., is a matter of knowing how, meanwhile being passive, doing nothing, being a wallflow, waiting, being a follower does not require knowing how, it's not a matter of knowing how, it's not something that takes practice or hardly any practice at all.

Ya and I hate it whenever people make the argument, people argue whenever people say about who has it easier, they are always like, for every girl that has a boyfriend, that guy has a girlfriend, YES DUH I KNOW THAT!!!!!!, but the guy had to do all of the god damn work in order to make it happen.

they(women) also don't get to choose which men initiate with them. they have to deal with unattractive/disrespectful/aggressive men all the time out of no choice of their own, thats something men never have to deal with, yes I know that, but since women have loads and tons of options in their late teens and throughout their 20's, some extent early 30's, out of all of those options there is guaranteed to be a handful of guys in which their is mutual attraction involved, meanwhile men can be passive and get nothing, or they can take action, be assertive and still get nothing because it's the man, not the woman, that has to be the one that gets the talking done right, conversation done right, body-language and tonality done right, flirting done right, not the woman, that's why I feel for men it's a matter of knowing how, for women it's not a matter of knowing how.

I've browsed this site sometime recently and i saw some old threads, posts of guys who share a similiar mindset to me, as in ones such as are late bloomers always haunted by their lonely, pathetic past? still have those painful, mental, emotional wounds, scars of missing out in high school and college, and don't mistake me as being another future psycho, I thought i'd post this here as a way to see if I can get recommended help, like serious therapy, unlike that monster Elliot Rodger who never tried to get help, although I do have a little bit of sympathy, empathy for him.

Honestly, youve just got to forget about it bro. I am similar to you. I am turning 22 at the end of this month, and only in 2015 did I actively start trying to get with girls. I had my first 2 sexual encounters in that time and kind of lost my virginity a few weeks ago. Yeah, I wasted a few years not approaching/talking to girls (all my high school and college), but fuck it, there is no point getting too upset about it. With all the resources available on this site, if you put in the effort, im willing to bet you would have twice as many lays in 2-3 years than you would have in the past 10 if you were trying blindly.You are not that old either that you still can fuck 18/19/20 year old girls. In my opinion, these girls are the best looking and if you fuck them , you might not feel like youve missed out on as much.

Obviously the element of wasting time will always be there, but we cant dwell on that. We have to make use of NOW! Read more or less every article on this site - they WILL help. Start lifting and eating to gain some size or if you are overweight, to lose fat. Get a nice outfit or two, get some photos taken professionally and get yourself on online dating. There are plenty of guides for this on this site, check them out (specifically the lose your virginity series). As well as this, you are going to want to approach during the night/day. Start of during the night when drinking with friends/on your own if you find the day too hard. You may also want to consider doing the AA program.

Seriously though, the best advise you will ever get is just forget about it. Fuck it. Sure, we missed out on some good years by being little pussies in our teens. Lets not fuck up our 20's by being stupid. Go out there and take action!! With action comes results.

What if you fucked and dated a hot sexy 18 year old?

you need to get over it. If that doesn´t help see a doctor.

You have to realize. Woman are not nice to men. They are not nice to women even more. You have to do all the work to get them. It´s a ritual you have to go through. But if you get them it is like a 180 degree turn. They will do all the work to please you Until the day you fuck up because you lost control in the relationship.

"You can't miss what you never had" - Hunter S. Thompson

You're going to have to accept that you missed out on relationships in your teens/early 20s.

As long as you take care of your body/mind, even when you're much older a guy can still pull younger girls.

Sure maybe not 18 yr olds, but if you're pushing 40 and you can get <25 I'd say you're doing well for yourself.

You have written pretty much what goes through my mind and what I think of women in general.

But you're missing the bigger picture here. First of all, forget about equality and that crap! Women and Men are different and we're treated differently. We have different gender roles, and our behavior is molded and gentrified since early childhood. Boys are given toys like Lego's while girls are given dolls and houses to play with them. That teaches man to become go-getters, to build stuff and create resources for them and for everyone else. Women are taught to learn how to manage relationships, because they'll need to know how to manage their man and to manipulate them into doing their biding! It's their only way of getting resources and surviving within the traditional female gender role. Of course now-days. gender roles seem to be overlapping and it's getting confusing, but their foundations are still solid. Man get stronger not just for themselves but also for their family/women and society in general, women learn how to be caring and supporting. This system is very efficient on the woman side, and inefficient on the man's side. Yet, we don't care, we're selfless! Don't let a woman make you think otherwise.
Think about this: If a burglar breaks in to your house while you're home with your girlfriend, who do you think would endanger their life to protect the other partner?

Now back to your main topic, women have it easy in life and get more out of it than man.
They have it easy, YES! They get more out of life, NO!!!
I'll get back to this in a moment!
When talking about relationships you have to take in consideration the Sexual Market value of each gender. Women have their highest SMV between the ages 20-25. while men have it between 30-35. It takes us 10 more years to reach our peak. That's why women have it easier. That is because of the nature of our SMV. Women value come from their physical beauty, their youth. They have to bring into the relationship, their fertility and ability to bear babies. While men have to bring their strength and wealth. Both, of course, have to bring high quality genes. That's why women cheat to their beta husbands with Alphas. Now, for men it takes a long time to build their social status through wealth. The reason why their highest value is between 30-35 years old is that at that age they are fully mature, still young, and their have accumulated wealth and most of them are stabilized. So if you complain about why women your age get more out of the relationship, this about this. Be patient and work hard, your days will come when your worth with be higher then theirs.

I often feel jealous too, when I see women have it easy with relationships and get things with minimal efforts. But I'd never want to live like a woman...why? Because women will never reach their full potential as individual, if they live within the limits of their gender role. Now, don't get me wrong. I feel bad about them at all. Their system, is way more efficient than male's, and they'll live a very comfortable life if they are smart enough to use their strengths and get the best out of their femininity. But, again they'll never reach their full potential, for the simple fact that the way they go about getting things in life is through other people. And they have to do that throughout their entire life! They depend on others for survival, and that's why they need to have strong relationship management skills, they need to survive.

But this is where their major flaw comes in. Women live on a survival mode. While men live on a thriving mode.
Just look and Maslow's hierarchy of needs":



The highest level a woman will reach is the 3rd level.
Through men, they'll be able to provide for their physical needs, then their safety, and finally love and belonging, through strong relationship with their family and kids. But that's it! They can't go any higher. What's the next level, it's self esteem. Women are very sensitive about their looks and worth. Their self-esteem is not solid. They'll never be able have strong foundations, unlike men who work their entire life to provide for themselves and others. After all the hardships they go through, there's no one that can have them question their worth. They know, they are worth it, because everything they get in life comes from their personal skills!

Also, if you read some more about the self esteem level, there is also respect for others. Women have no respect of others, because they live in a survival mode. Whoever has this mindset, they'll think first for themselves, in order to survive. You have respect for others only if you live in a thriving mode, like men do. Women have no respect for other women, they are know to backstab each other over men and any resources they can tap to. They have no respect for weak men, they'd leave a man in a hearbit if he showed signs of weakness or if he lost his wealth. Some many couples divorced during the recession of 2009, because so many men lost their wealth, and women nexted them. Women are hypergamous.

And the highest level is the self-actualization. You can never be self-actualized if your survival depends on other, and you can never be self-actualized if you only live for yourself. Look at all the leaders in the world. They are mostly men, and they are all self-actualized. Spiritual leaders, political leaders, financial leaders, etc!
They all have women, that will tap into their vast resources, but they'll never be them, they'll all live in the shadow. Those women will have a very comfortable life, but they'll never live it at its fullest!

That is why I'd never want to live like a woman! I am strong, I am independent, I'm on my path to be self-actualized. So every time you complain why women have it so easy, think about that. Think about your potential future. You'll grow from here on! You'll be a great man

Hey OP I wrote a post about this in my journal Here

Maybe it might help you...anyways all the best

First post on this site in over a week, starting working out again with a personal trainer at the gym, went 10 straight days of no fap but couldn't go on any longer until yesterday, but I feel I can fully relate to the OP except I'm 2 years older than him

ETA wrote: Also, if you read some more about the self esteem level, there is also respect for others. Women have no respect of others, because they live in a survival mode. Whoever has this mindset, they'll think first for themselves, in order to survive. You have respect for others only if you live in a thriving mode, like men do. Women have no respect for other women, they are know to backstab each other over men and any resources they can tap to. They have no respect for weak men, they'd leave a man in a hearbit if he showed signs of weakness or if he lost his wealth. Some many couples divorced during the recession of 2009, because so many men lost their wealth, and women nexted them. Women are hypergamous.

And the highest level is the self-actualization. You can never be self-actualized if your survival depends on other, and you can never be self-actualized if you only live for yourself. Look at all the leaders in the world. They are mostly men, and they are all self-actualized. Spiritual leaders, political leaders, financial leaders, etc!
They all have women, that will tap into their vast resources, but they'll never be them, they'll all live in the shadow. Those women will have a very comfortable life, but they'll never live it at its fullest!

That is why I'd never want to live like a woman! I am strong, I am independent, I'm on my path to be self-actualized. So every time you complain why women have it so easy, think about that. Think about your potential future. You'll grow from here on! You'll be a great man

I'd agree men and women have fundamental differences, but your view on women is fucked. I'm getting bored of hearing this hyper-masculine, red-pill, manosphere stuff. It's sounds like you're regurgitating a bunch of shit you read elsewhere.

'Women have no respect', 'they are backstabbers', 'they can never be self actualized'.... What?

I'd agree with the general overall point being made about 'gender equality' being a lie. But you sound like someone who still currently has negative, inaccurate views regarding women, giving someone else who has these views advice.

OP, find a way to meet women. Not just western women, but women from all parts of the world. Put any bitterness or negative attitudes aside regarding them, and just try to get to know them. In time, any resentment you currently feel will disappear when you realise most of them aren't complete cunts. And don't worry too much about missing out on your teens or whatever. Men typically don't reach their prime till around their 30's, and sometimes beyond.

I have had to deal with women on a business, personal and extremely professional level. Lawyers, doctors, nurses, hundreds and thousands of your average Janes. It is was my job.

A few notes:
1. Women are completely emotional creatures.
2. Women are not able to grasp consequences.
3. Women in their minds are perfect, its everyone else who needs fixing, accepting blame is almost never swallowed without problems.
4. Women crave attraction, attention and whatever version of love that is in their heads. They want fun no matter what And no matter who they are.

On a professional and maybe personal level it has been impossible for me to get over my resentment and bitterness. I have improved myself for myself ie swag, fashion, confidence, social proof, and in return the same women have given me either compliments or consideration and then blowing me off, to my benefit. It was usually at that point I found out what made them tick without taking them out for coffee, it was different for most. But, they honestly do not know what to do in the professional workplace, nor do they know how to behave, their emotions and instincts take over. Come hell or high water.

That is your answer. Work on yourself, there is no way you can fix a women. Every emotionally healthy woman knows she is crazy. It goes back to the topics that have been talked about on GLL and its is no exaggeration.

After 20+ plus years of dealing with them in all sorts of ways, every single women just wants attention. Not sexual interest-just attention. Vanity. Obviously, not every one is the same and so you have to get out there. Be selfish and you will eventually note which kind of women is most attracted to you and those that are sexually attracted. For me it has been Indopak women. Blondes look at me at immediately take four steps away from me. But anyway.

Consider older women. Again for some reason, they were attracted me more. Read up on Kant, Vonnegut, Niezsche and some of the others.

Look at it this way OP women bleed every month, have to put on their face everyday, shave their legs, do their nails and toes so they feel good.

We as men just need to be masculine and make money.

Right now I'm celibate by choice which is allowing me to focus more and make more money.....and guess what though I still approach I virtually have some chicks throwing themselves at me. And while I'll play and flirt no D for them.

Do I still want to fuck of course I do. Do I still have my insecurities about my size of course. But everyday I wake up and take another shot.

You can't change yesterday but you can create today.

Just my piece for what its worth!

Stop crying over spilled milk.

Start making changes now. See yourself as a product.

1. Max facial aesthetics
- haircut
- grooming
- tan
- teeth
etc

2. body
- big
- strong
- lean
etc

3. style
- get good style
- whether masculine or fashionable

4. make $$$
- to afford to improve the factors above
- get good logistics

5. your social skills and reputation
- friend circle etc
- basic conversational skills

Then market your product
1. Approaching
2. Social media
3. Tinder
4. Night life

Plenty of options but key is having a good 'product' and try maxing out each factor.
I've pulled from approaching once, tinder twice and the rest are from night life. Night life is just what i prefer.