TOPIC: It's my life, and it's now or never. I ain't gonna live forever.

Just had a first date today with plump brunette I closed off the street last week. She let me know she needs to get up early tmrw and is tired from work so I agreed when she asked to meet me downtown - away from my sex location.

I was looking pretty fly for a white guy, dressed in all dark/black clothing and accessorized the fuck out like usual with plenty of man cleavage showing from my low tank top. After a slow beginning I felt super comfortable and came up with things to say easier and easier the more time we spent together. Having something to say and acting normal has always been a FEAR of mine but now that these dates are easier to come by, I can just fucking relax and be MYSELF, or actually the ideal version of myself which takes effort, like I have to remember to swear more so I dont come across too fucking nice.

Some love me, some hate me for sure, but if Im not a strong enough personality to polarize opinions, non-reactive enough to handle social pressure and shit test/challenges from men and women, and edgy enough to turn men's and women's heads when I walk down the street, I'm not fit for being a player.

I greeted plump brunette by hugging her, then walked around the park talking a bit, sat down and I put my arm around her shoulder. Vibe was more friendly get-to-know-you rather than flirty or sexual. I couldn't get my flirty side out cos she kept asking too much personal/boring interview questions at first. FUCK, that puts me in my head. I just wanna tell her: "shut up, that's boring, lets talk about something fun!"

Then from the park we went for drinks at the bar - I drank water cos I cant and wont touch alcoshit. I made her laugh, open up and have a good time but didn't have it in me to make things flirty or sexual, maybe here and there, but I don't feel super attracted to this chick and I felt tired/lethargic and figure it's best to escalate FOR REAL next time when I bring her to my place, so after 1,5h I said I have to head back home now and hugged her goodbye, no kisses or ass-smacking on this date. They come on the day when I plan to have sex.

6/10 date. Got 2 numbers on my way back home. I shouldn't have taken 200mg l-theanine maybe it was a bit too much and made me tired. I'll do 100mg/day from now on.

Yo horny, what was your starting point in this journey.. lays, social life etc etc.. I havent read this thread from the start

My starting point was very poor: late social and sexual development and years of depression after almost a decade of living like a loner incel. Avoidance of people, inability to get friends and chicks, inability to make normal conversation with people I didnt know or was comfortable with. Too much porn, being married to my computer, fantasizing, too little direction in life and action-taking (cos I didnt know what I should do even though I had consumed a 1000 PUA e-books).

Finally, I found GLL which gave me the practical things to do: AA drills. I did them for 3 weeks in fall 2012 and then when I started approaching, I had veery little sexual experience, and 1 group of male friends that I'd see 1-2 times a week. I'd not see any friends for 5-6 days a week and hoped I could have more of social life with female friends so I could become better at socializing with them and get all the sex and life experiences that would make me normal and cool and cure my low self-esteem.

Now I have a little more sexual experience, still not enough friends, and I want to better myself my because I'm not enjoying life like I want to be and I'm still behind in my development compared to my peers in some regards like never having been in a LTR/relationship with a girl and I don't have a cool group of friends to go on a night out with or take trips with during the summer, for example.

You're doing well man. A lot of girls I've noticed just won't fuck on the first date. It depends on your location (in terms of what kind of mentality the girls have there. LA is different from Portland etc), how you screen them, and things like that. I think you need to just be a bit more persistent, unless they are trying to run out of your house or shouting "NO", don't worry about it. Plenty of girls will fuck on the 2nd date. If they won't by the 3rd they are probably BF hunters and you should next them.

My starting point was very poor: late social and sexual development and years of depression after almost a decade of living like a loner incel. Avoidance of people, inability to get friends and chicks, inability to make normal conversation with people I didnt know or was comfortable with. Too much porn, being married to my computer, fantasizing, too little direction in life and action-taking (cos I didnt know what I should do even though I had consumed a 1000 PUA e-books).

Finally, I found GLL which gave me the practical things to do: AA drills. I did them for 3 weeks in fall 2012 and then when I started approaching, I had veery little sexual experience, and 1 group of male friends that I'd see 1-2 times a week. I'd not see any friends for 5-6 days a week and hoped I could have more of social life with female friends so I could become better at socializing with them and get all the sex and life experiences that would make me normal and cool and cure my low self-esteem.

Now I have a little more sexual experience, still not enough friends, and I want to better myself my because I'm not enjoying life like I want to be and I'm still behind in my development compared to my peers in some regards like never having been in a LTR/relationship with a girl and I don't have a cool group of friends to go on a night out with or take trips with during the summer, for example.

I feel u bro.. i can identify with a lot of that.

stormlord: yeah, Finland is what it is, but what you said definitely makes sense. Women are not running out screaming "NO", they see it in my eyes that I will stop if they seriously tell me with a straight face that communicates that "okay the fun is over... STOP"

ssk08: you're absolutely right, I dont need alcohol. I feel so free to do whatever I want most of the time now, thank god I did all the (hard and scary) things I did so far to make me the new man I am now! Yeah, I'm always looking for different ways to make progress, I CAN NOT stagnate cos I know all too well what depression and utter disappoitment about one's life feels like.

omar little: I don't want to make it sound all bad and weird, but the truth is, many of us came here cos we were not getting laid, had problems in life, not masculine-acting etc.

I'm constantly working on myself EVERY DAY and improving, learning how to give positive incentive when socializing (I learn this slowly), seeking knowledge and sharing it with others like on this forum, building better habits like not fapping for 33 days, etc and I have overcome so much and I'm becoming a together guy mentally and emotionally.

I've gone through tons of social exposure, figured out how to be more cool&normal living with flatmates from different countries, doing the AA drills and approaches, building and maintaining my friendships (although overcoming laziness in this regard is a challenge), having at least some kind of social life in addition to cold approaching, so yeah... I can relate with all different kinds of people now. I don't feel like a victim anymore, I feel like I can make results (with women) happen by taking action.

At best, cold approach/talking to girls is like a fun hobby, its adds fun and excitement to my life, it makes my day, makes me laugh, gets me OUT OF THE HOUSE, makes me not depressed, creates nice memories, hilarious ambarassments, develops my personality/humor/charisma etc and as a result of it... I end up getting laid sometimes

IMPORTANT THOUGHT / REALIZATION: Women can like me just for me. I am enough. What I mean is: when I'm with women, my personality is congruent and don't feel like I'm "gaming" them - I'm just expressing my personality freely just like I'm in any social situation, so I don't feel like I'm trying or putting on a show or being mr.funny man - it's about vibing so YOU have fun and make HER feel good emotions too, and maybe sometimes a little bad although I'm not comfortable pushing too far in that direction and that is probably one sticking point, eh?

And of course I talk with men and women differently, and the nuances of exactly how to do that are becoming all the more clearer to me as I increase my social skills through experience and see just what men are interested in talking about as opposed to what makes women tick, laugh, giggle and get wet

My goal is to become a strong-minded guy with a powerful force of personality like ALL men who succeed at this are.

I notice the "force" increasing as social momentum builds and/or if I get rejected repeatedly. Boy, do I "harden the fuck up" and become dominant FAST. Sometimes I can come off to overconfident, unyielding and aggressive, I'm sure. Social calibration improves slowly over time. But I will never become "normal" boring drone or fit into societal norms, I'm way too much of an individual-minded personality & cool to do that.

Yesterday: no new numbers, but for the first time I got an outsider to congratulate me on my pickup! It was a middle-aged woman who overheard my convo with this chick who wasn't available in a bus and said "That's was really nice that you talked to that girl, I hope more people were like that in Finland". If there are more guys who do cold approaches here, I wanna know them and befriend them, Together we can become great! I actually am gonna contact people from another (natural game) pick-up forum. I don't wanna be alone in this even though my reality and dominance over this CITY/COUNTRY and it's socially dysfunctional culture is getting STRONGER.

I also got LJBF'd by the redhead I had a date with like 2 weeks ago. Remember, she sat on my bed, I kissed her in my room and we slow-danced and then she stopped me as I rubber her pussy from outside. Now she's clearly not DTF and never was, so I'll propose to her that she can introduce me to her hot single friends.

Today: I got 3 numbers from day game. I remembered to swear and noticed the available/DTF girls (even one who didn't want to give their number because BFs) grinning/smiling at each swearword: SWEARING WORKS, MOTHERFUCKERS! BE A BAD BOY WITH A FOUL MOUTH. texting right now to try and set up dates. go for bang on 1st or 2nd at my place. endure no FAP UNTIL I get some WARM, WET... that's the plan.

Fuck if anything can stop me now! I'm a go-getter, always dominating social interactions by projecting my frame over hers.  (cred. Manwhore).

I've been finding answers for my biggest sticking point: busting LMR and de-activating ASD from different sources. I have read that guys who are sexual upfront from "hello" and don't come across like nice wholesome boyfriend material don't get much LMR.

Do you guys think the following is a good plan? Here's the changes I'm gonna make in my game in order to increase the % of dates that end up in sex:

Be more sexual - communicate that I'm a sexual guy as early in the interaction as possible. Won't go overboard with touching in daygame as it's weird, but will try/ use the following techniques which are mostly verbal:

-LASER EYES: look into her eyes, gaze deeply, and imagine having sex with her at the same time

-using the words cock, tits, ass, nipples in conversation. I've been too cautious of using them before.

-Sexual Overload, example: "Girl, your turning me on so much with that mini-skirt/tight body *then run your hand down her side smoothly* Its totally YOUR fault I cant keep my hands off of you today!"

-Sexual Framing, example: "I can already tell that your a fun chick whos open to new experiances and wild adventures.

-blaming her:"your so fucking with my head right now. Your so damn hott right now." Or tell her you can't concentrate on something cos she's so sexy. or that she's so sexy that you forgot her name.

-"you're turning me on when you smile like that/talk about x/tilt your head like that etc"

-all the examples from BoyToy's sexual innuendo article

-on the topic of age, I usually talk about being young wild and free, and then I could say: "well, it's good that we aren't 40yo because there's nothing worse than 40yos having sex. I saw it online once and I was traumatized"

FEEDBACK PLEASE!

ssk08: you're right about me needing to screen harder and be more sexual from the start so they dont see me as fucking BF material.

This is a bad joke now but I just had another 4-hour LMR date with hot russian who visited me a week ago for the first time. So this is our 2nd date. Maybe give her one more.. very short one: FUCK ME OR NEVER SEE ME AGAIN!

First we were shopping together downtown, then went to my house and then basically 3h of LMR, dancing, talking, LMR, watching youtube videos, LMR, playing guitar to her, LMR and more LMR. I even tried cavemanning her hard at one point where I choked her on the bed so hard that she got upset and had to take a while in the balcony so her throat didnt hurt anymore. Then she liked me again as I sincerely apologized to her and said I would never do that again.

I said and did all the things I could including trying to push my hand in her pussy about umm... 15 times maybe. But I had to unbutton the front of her jeans and when I did that, she would ALWAYS stop me or move a little bit so there was no way I could force my fingers inside her pussy. I did get veeeery close from the back though, but she still stopped me.

This unending stream of sexless dates is getting frustrating and OBVIOUSLY I need to screen better by being more sexual upfront and less BF material. I'll do my best to get over my sexual shame if I have some, and be a total - I MEAN TOTAL - fucking nasty disgusting pervert that I apparently have to be so that only SEXUAL HORNY DTF girls will ever come to my house... because I DO NOT want to waste my fucking time with these girls who tell me 1000 times: "I don't think you respect me if you want sex so soon" and I say everything from "shhh!" and a makeout to "if it happens it happens, no big deal" to "what are you talking about, of course I respect you but I can't deny my instincts cos I get so turned on by you" but it's all useless.

Next week I'm moving downtown to a place with great logistics and I should be getting laid so much more cos I have so much.... something. Im entitled and I feel I deserve it.

Yup, ssk08: I'm going in a more sexual direction one step at a time. Chris says don't be verbally super sexual, TOUCH more. I say: I need to experiement and figure out which works better for me in this environment: verbal sexuality VS. non-verbal sexuality/touching.

Achievement unlocked yesterday: I opened a 20yo artsy brunette walking on the street next to my home, brought her to a nearby place to play pool, then have a cup of coffee, then go home with me. I didn't just "number close" her and meet her another day, I said after 3mins of talking: "alright, well since you said you had no plans for this evening, lemme show you something fun to do" just like Chris does in the videos: took her home off the street, YEAH!

This made me feel very spontaneous and alive, like everything was more exciting than when I number close and set up a date. Now instead, it's like me and her are swept up in the moment together - she meets this awesome ballsy guy and hangs out with him for the night and has a story to tell her friends.

This girl was so shy she was physically shaking for 1h, but then I got her to relax with my charisma, my affectionate touch and 1 cider. I enjoyed our time together even though we didn't end up having sex cos her mum kept calling her to go home and she couldn't think of a good excuse, but I communicated SEXUALITY by talking about what makes my hormones rage, using innuendo, kissing her lips while we slow-danced and when we lied on top of each other on the bed, massaging her fine ASS while she was face down on my bed, telling her what it is about her that arouses me, and talking about sunbathing naked etc. She loved all of it and so did I

Then, today I had a date with this fit little 18yo cheerleader blonde who told me beforehand on the phone that she was very tired and had to wake up early, so I though "ok cool, I'll hang out with a cheerleader even if there's not gonna be sex, a new experience for me, I mean who doesn't love teen cheerleaders ;D" We walked around a bit, played pool with her and then went to my place where we got to know each other a bit, danced, I made her laugh and massaged her legs and ass of course so she knows I'm a SEXUAL MAN, busted on her and set her straight when she tried to be challenging: for example I said with a smile: "you can't be the man in this relationship, I'm the one with a schlong and you don't even have a schlong so you can never be the man in this relationship so just give up and relax".

After maybe 1.5h she apologized that she wanted to leave because she was tired and then I didn't remember kiss her but what the hell, anyway we seem to be on good terms and she was fine with me touching her all I wanted so maybe I'll see her again next week.

Nice progress man!

I think pulling directly back to your place when you have great logistics can work really well, although I think a pretty low % of girls are going to fuck on the first meeting, as they just can't rationalize that in their brains as easily. Whereas you get them on the 2nd date, you've already communicated the right things (sexuality, cool, can hold basic conversation) then they already have a lot more trust, and also it's not seen as quite as "slutty" to fuck on the 2nd date.

A question:

I'm curious to know what sort of physical escalation you're doing with these girls, once they're already back at your house, you're obviously already making out with them, etc, I'm assuming.. ?

I find things like squeezing her waste, while smelling/kissing her neck work especially well to get them turned on - also "blowing her ear" lol, which is basically sucking and licking her ear, as if you were giving it fellatio LOL. this is one of my biggest turn ons actually, and pretty much every girl I've asked and done it to FUCKING LOVES IT.

Maybe you just need to work more on physical escalation in other ways? (not just going for pussy rubbing - maybe it's too soon - you haven't got them wet enough??? )

Just curious....

Great progress though man, you're clearly building up to being the sexually serviced man you want to become

I will say, having just "unlocked this achievement" lols, that having great logistics is fucking BAWS and makes everything sooo much easier...

Good stuff man, keep it up!

Nick

Horny is going to be a fucking beast very soon.