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don't worry, girls that age can be fucking stupid and immature.
Thanks, bro. I'm learning new and very real lessons about the real nature of the woman beast as I go along.
Today I screened about 8-9 bitches and got 1#. Made 1 phone call to a bitch. Phone anxiety is gone, I'm pretty sure. But it's been a down day for me. I feel tired, lethargic and unmotivated to go hunt that poon. After yesterday's date flaked on me, I finally believe some of the MRA blogs I've read that say bitches are inherently selfish and have NO MORALITY. Overall, their word should not be trusted and they should NOT be respected or admired for their looks. I have a deep disdain for calling them "beautiful, pretty, cute, attractive" now, because while they may APPEAR that way, it's an illusion. I think the more innocent they look, the more they've been put on a pedestal and treated like a princess = need to be TAUGHT to act like an adult woman.
Things I've started doing to rinse away a DECADE of "Mr. nice guy/i dont wanna offend you behavior" - not smiling a lot when I talk to bitches, giving commands instead of asking: "tell me this, tell me that", no sweet compliments just "hot, babe, sexy, candy, delicious", talking about tits, saying I'm stronger than them and I could beat them up, tell them to stop if they're acting like a dude or trying to be a little tough guy, girls that don't put their # in my phone I leave with "your fucking loss" or "you're dumb for missing out" or "you're lame" UPDATE: I did this a few times, but not anymore.
I have no problems putting the moves on a bitch anywhere anytime cos I don't respect her job, time, friends or so-called "relationship" or anything really. But when she says she has a BF it seems like a waste of my time to continue talking to her. Maybe 1/10 will cheat with me... but even then it would be a waste of time. I'll have to get more time&experience.
I have faced my own issues by hitting on women: depression, hatred, bitterness, anger. Hopefully I can get over this by getting success (dates & sex) from screening, and get in a positive frame of mind.
Today I was able to stay more positive than yesterday regarding meeting women. But after I came home and wondered why yet again I texted 4 numbers "nice meeting you Girlname -horny" and only received 1 txt back so far, I decided to write something here in HOPES of being able to figure out why very few women in Finland reciprocate anything with me and why I am like air to them. Some people in this country's men's right movement say that this is the most feminist nation in the world!
I'm having a very difficult time feeling confident, positive and feeling good about this whole daytime approaching and meeting women thing when I try my best, and only about 1/8 women I approach give me their number, then most of those girls don't even respond to my initial "nice meeting you, Girlname" text. In total I have 19 numbers and 3 girls I added on FB. I started taking Facebooks today out of desperation, btw. So, I estimate that I have gone up to around 160-180 women ages 18-39, mostly the young normal/cute/hot chicks with the intention of seriously hitting on/screening them (not too aggressive though, that weirds them out). Im still doing too much % of the talking though. Not a single date has materialized yet, probably next week with this 1 brunette. I'm so undersexed I have had thoughts about whether I will ever achieve my goals of getting sex.
Strange thing is that when Chris did 100 average guy approaches, he got 47 phone numbers (and 7 lays wow) , yet it's about the same percentage of girls that tell me they have boyfriends. In Finland it seems that maybe 47% of attractive girls are always locked down in BF-GF relationships, and I have no idea what to do about that excecpt ask them to be Facebook friends and talk to them when they're in between relationships. UPDATE: I think they're lying about their relationship status. What to do about it?
And it's difficult being a guy with kind of a low-quality and small apartment and low sexual market value (not seeing as being wealthy or in a good job & admired by many men & desired by many women). I'm sorry I can't post my pic on a public forum, but I mean I'm maybe a 8/10 good-looking and tall, fit, take care of grooming&hygiene (even though my facial skin tends to be a little reddish at times), dress pretty cool in dark jeans and black leather jacket/other stylish stuff, but what brings my GAME down I guess is that I grow up as a hermit in my teenage years, and then suffered from depression and loneliness in my twenties and only made friends when I was 25, so even though I have a lot of practise speaking with guys for hours at a time now and we usually have fun and laugh, I've never had female friends to talk to, but I have a little sister. But to this day, this tiredness and depression kinda haunts me and tries to come back on these days when I feel like I may never succeed with women.
Hey dude! Hope you're feeling better man. Yo. Stop comparing yourself to ANYBODY dude! You're you. You're own situation is unique! You couldn't score dates or the girls are flaky only because you didn't have any luck running into some awsome chicks! Keep on going man! It's a numbers game remember? Sometimes you're going to get stuck in a rut and it's gonna feel like it's very difficult. Just keep on going. You just 'started' doing this stuff. So you're numbers ARE going to be lower than 'some' other people. Hey man. FUCK other people. You're doing YOU right now! And that's all you'll EVER do! So just be persistent! Keep your head up!
thats interesting ssk.......i never realized 'hey sexy' removes potential dates...........simply ur screening approach should be handling that for ya....u never wanna be banking on verbal or text 'hey sexy' as ur method to avoid dates.........just my opinion
Thank you. I'm feeling better now. You're right it's a numbers game but I know there's something about me - probably unconscious anxiety and imperfect social calibration - that is making my numbers real, real low. I am a beginner and I'm expecting my numbers to improve at some point just like ssk08's did. Thank you for the encouragement.
Thank you for your understanding. I have read part of your thread and I saw that you had a difficult time over there in Ireland as a foreigner, but couldn't relate that to myself as I am a native here. Finland has conservative values too: a lot of people seem to value monogamous relationships... and marriage (UGH!).
I'm very surprised to hear that you're half-Finnish. You're welcome here anytime, man! I will take you to a sauna when you get here
If it helped Chris's lay stats to have sexy girls in social circles, then I must have that too. Do you think I should convert some of my cold approaches to female friends? That should be easier than getting them to bed. One girl already invited me to come hang out with her friend downtown around 4pm last Saturday but I declined cos I wanted her alone.
1000 approaches sounds like a damn lot! Then again... I have my whole life ahead of me...
Yeah, I will keep challenging myself and Relentless Guy - now Tomas - will probably help me with that. I discovered that he lives near me, so we can work on improving ourselves and learn from each other. I love this very positive image: "Eventually, you will feel like a king when you hit on girls and others will cheer you"
ssk08 and scotty
I noticed that [glow=red,2,300]"hey sexy"[/glow] filters out too many girls here that are not super free about talking openly about sex or DTF at that moment. But if I filter those girls out, I basically have no girls left. Of course all girls have the same sexual NEEDS. There's no point using [glow=red,2,300]"hey sexy"[/glow] for now at least. I wanna get more experience getting comfortable with going on dates and having normal, relaxed conversations with women.
Thank you, ssk08, for your input. I read everything you wrote and will take it into consideration.
Being verbally direct in Finland is considered super-aggressive too, so I'm not gonna use it. The difference in how I act with girls in public and PRIVATE is great. I must not make their anti-slut alarm bells ring too early.
I applied all my and you guys' knowledge and experience so far and I just got my first GLL lay today. Yep - it finally happened after almost a month of near-daily action towards my goal of getting LAID!!!!
For you stat freaks, she was the 18th number close out of 21 that I have gotten in total. Around 180 real approaches (not drillls) so far. This girls was a 21-yo foreign exhance student so I didn't have the problem of prudish feminist social norms that I have with native girls.
I approched her last weekened at around 12 in the morning on the street. I locked eyes with her and put my hand up for a hi5 and say "hi5" just like Scotty shows in the Muscle Rx TV show. She looks at me and says "why do you want to hi5?" I run the standard GLL opener without bodyguard. She wants to get going so 2mins of chit-chat and number #. Txt her right away: "nice meeting you, Girlname". She responds right away in kind.
Today, I engage her by txt again couple of hours before the date: I tell her to get ready and remind her what time we're meeting.
I meet her at a public location, hug her, tell her she looks cute and small. Some chit-chat, and ask her to come with me. Lead her by the hand to a place where we have coffee. Her hand is tense, I tell her to relax. I pay for both - the place was cheap. We sit next to each other, chat and get to know each other. I start playful touching when I feel like it and when she asks me ridicuous questions that make me laugh like "so, do you often hi5 girls on the street?" : hand-holding, arm-touching, placing my hand on her knee/leg, smelling her perfume, commenting and touching her earring, shoulder and elbow bumping/nudging, crushing her with my body in her seat. She was laughing and enjoyed it.
At some point I tell her to finish her coffee, we're leaving this place for another adventure. Walk her back to my place which is 4mins walk away. plow through what little resistance she put up. get her comfortable with a fun non-sexual activity for about 20mins. Chat chat chat while feeling good and relaxed arousal in my body. Offer her a little ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE (just one to take her edge off). Massage her on the couch while she drinks it - I don't drink. Pet her hair, massage legs which I move on my lap. Then change positions so that she's sitting between my legs as I'm massaging her shoulders and arms on the sofa. This Massaging made her literally so relaxed that she let go and melted in my arms and rested her head against my chest. That's when I knew I could touch her R-rated zones ( tits). then clothes come off, kissing, petting, BAM all the way in many positions!
When I pulled down my pants in front of her face and told her to get her mouth on it, she said "this is too much" and put her clothes back on. She might have been "acting" or putting up LMR or w/e. Guess what made her change her mind: I told her several times: "I know we're moving too fast, but you're just turning me on so much right now that I can't help myself". And then back to kissing for a few mins. I didn't get her to give me oral but I gave it to her, mmm....
Condom of choice: Okamoto Crown - some say the best in the world.
What I did game-wise I'm looking at her eyes and lips this whole time, and also throwing little sexual things here and there - no hardcore verbal stuff about fucking/cocks/dicks/tits before we were doin' it, though. Touching is what sends the message. Touching and talking warms her up. Any time she asks logical questions I tell her to stop thinking so much, feel the moment more and learn to have fun. "Baby, it's just you and me tonight. This is our night, ok". She goes along with it.
She kept saying two things again and again: 1."how are you so sure of everything you say? How are you so certain I'm gonna come with you? How do you sound so certain that I like you?". I basically said: "Thanks/I know. It's a man's job to be absolutely sure about things and not doubt yourself. Why do you doubt yourself? Well, you don't need to doubt yourself when you're with me because I take care of you/everything." 2. "this is crazy, you are crazy" and I reassured her: "Yeah, I'm a little crazy, and that why we're having so much fun. I think you and I are kinda similar. We both have our crazy side that enjoys new life experiences"
Afterwards: I walked around and talked with her for 30mins then let her go home. Now I need to find Chris's video on retention.
Thank you Chris, Scotty, every man on this forum who shares what they've learned. This is for all you winners, doers and achievers. Cheers!
dude Im digging your style of writing; I meet her at a public location, hug her, tell her she looks cute and small. Some chit-chat, and ask her to come with me. Lead her by the hand to a place where we have coffee. Her hand is tense, I tell her to relax. I pay for both - the place was cheap.
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Today I went about my day normally, talked to about maybe 8 girls and got 3 numbers. Great ratio for me.
Reason: probably that I'm feelin outcome-independent, non-needy and relaxed in my body because I recently got laid and have hope that I'm gonna get laid in the future (for free!). I feel comfortable doing what I am doing without feeling any need to impress the girl, or try to "get her". I was in a positive frame of mind. I feel more like I can concentrate on having a good interaction with the girl because I have less thoughts/self-doubts in my head while I talk to her. I find it a little easier to say stuff that amuses ME and makes me laugh, therefore creating good emotions in the girl via emotional mirroring.
I feel no angred/hatred/resentment toward women in general like I did a few posts ago. If I can create abundance (2-3 hot fuckbuddies) I believe those feeling will not come up again.
I have also improved my conversational skill through repeatedly running into similar obstacles and figuring out how to beat them. Eg. girls being uncomfortable with a guy approaching them. I like to tell them two things: 1.I'm originally from X. Where I'm from people are warm and talk to each other normally like you and I right now 2. "Do you know the 2 most common topics on online single's forums? One: why can't I find a decent guy at the bar? 2.why don't people talk to me when they're sober during the day? So, what do you think about that/what's your experience on that?" and 3. I consciously use the word "we" as much as possible to build a connection.
NEW technique to try for everybody: "Can I get a kiss on the cheek?" and point to your cheek.
Question: there's a friendly but taken average cute girl at a social event where I go twice a week. I could talk to her about anything I want cos she works there and can't leave, so should I just practise fun conversation with her, kinda like making friends? When I asked her for coffee she told me she has a day off next WED but can't go because that wouldn't be fair to her BF.
Question: Chris, do you mind if I link RSD videos here that have good points? Right now I'm watching a new vid that is just sooo true and it's inspiring me.
New idea for improving my game: I've always taken the first or second "no" as an answer when going for the # or other things. What would happen if instead I only took the 4th "no" as an answer like RSD coach Alex says?
Today I got only 1# from a girl with a BF out of 9-10 approaches. But w/e. I have plenty of numbers to do Sunday mass texting with.
I txted about 16 girls in total. 1 has gotten back to me, but didn't answer my call. Should I just hit her up tomorrow?
Some that haven't responded to my texts I sent: "hey mystery girl, what's up/what's happened to you" or "guess what? I saw your clone in the city today". These are translated from Finnish so not those words exactly. Are my txts good enough or something wrong with them? I know they're not proper screening txts but I use those less because I can't really filter out any girls because they are already not texting me back
And I discovered that 1 girl so far has given me a fake # because a dude texted back that I should check this number.
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