TOPIC: Losing my mind! Help?

Yeah this post does also depressed me and make me mad because it's a reminder of how cruel the game can be. I feel my mindset and perspective has changed over the years.

People will always say that the world owes us nothing but sometimes I like to feel that women are the only gender that are owed or entitled to a date or relationship, sex, since they are the ones that get pursued and hit on, asked out.

Humans are programmed to assign value to females and children. Males have no inherent worth and need to actually do shit. Accept and embrace this reality.

Remind me of this powerful quote:

"Men have to create their value, Women have to protect their value"

Another statement I read:

"Unlike women, the vast majority of whom have high value automatically just by going through puberty and being fertile, men start off their teen and adult lives with very little inherent social value (with a few exceptions - the few men fortunate enough to have really good looks, incredible talent, or who come from wealth and status), so most men have to work - both hard and smart - to create and develop, earn value for ourselves."

True, I knew that men had to become great whereas women are born into it.

Maybe you could offer me a few pointers? I've already read Chris's guide on how to lose the V-card, but it feels outdated or it just simply doesn't work for me. Meaning, when I ask for their phone number on the dating apps is when they ghost me.

The guide says to get their phone numbers relatively quickly so that they don't lose interest, it says to get the number in about 3 texts. I feel like that's too soon maybe?
Maybe that strategy works in bigger cities, but they don't want to hand it out online around here.

I'll initiate with:
"Hey there, you're really naturally pretty. I just thought I'd tell you that.
I'm (name)"
Then in the same message, I'll follow it up with some kind of remark/question about something in their profile.

I've had lots of women respond to this, but steering the convo into getting her number seems impossible.
Chris's guide mentions that your very next reply should include a time-constraint type of situation so that it's not weird for me to exit the convo soon after initiating.

After her reply, I'll comment on what she said. Then I'll follow it up with:
"I'm going to run out with a friend to grab sushi for lunch, what's on your agenda today?"

They will usually tell me what they have planned, but at that point I'm completely clueless on how to progress even further.
It feels way too soon to say "I'm about to head out the door, let me get your number".
We haven't even discussed meeting in person or anything at that point, I'm just a stranger that's asking for her number after 3 messages.....

Another bit of advice I could use, is there a basic couple of lines I could say IRL when I see a girl who is visibly interested in me in public?
When girls show visible interest in me, I always just ignore it/walk away because I never learned what to say in that scenario.
Some women are painfully obvious in their interest, but I'm just at a loss for words.
If they are walking by at the time it's especially hard, I don't know what to say to get them to stop for a second and talk.

Hey goodmorning dude, I just read about most of your posts. So let’s just get this straight. You took action the day after you found GLL and had success right away. You had a conversation with a cashier, you even had a nice conversation with her and she thanked you, that’s even more success (if your goal was to have a conversation and get better at talking, you did that). You took action to go to the gym and you actually dedicated yourself to accomplish that. You have a nice tan, you fixed your broken tooth. That’s a lot of discipline and motivation you have.

And dude, you have women staring at you in public and even hitting on you at times. Aka there are women out there that want you, 100%. So stop trying to find the next thing to blame yourself for not having success with women, like your broken tooth, fine lines.. whatever the next thing might be. I’ve seen your face from your post and you look good, from what I can tell haha. You literally have proof from women in real life.

If I was you, I would not put a lot of value on online dating and losing your virginity before you turn 30 years old (I think there’s a more important thing for you), it’s just a number, and probably an indication for you what makes you really shameful that you still haven’t lost it. But from what I’ve read it’s not that strange because of all the shit and tragedy you went through as a child. A lot of it seems to be truly tragic, so don’t blame yourself that much if you would not lose your virginity before you turn 30 years old and don’t blame yourself that much for the position you are in right now. You could bag one girl in a week and not have sex for another year, then you would achieve your goal but it just doesn’t really matter. I would forgive myself and know you can literally turn your life around. You could start having sex at 33 years old and start to have a good sexlife, but you wouldn’t achieve your goal of losing it before turning 30, just to put things a bit into perspective.

I think you need some consistency in your life with regards to the social aspect. Everyday social interactions (exposure), where you have to talk to people. Do you work? If so what work do you do? You only get better at talking by talking. You wanted to get a muscular body so you dedicated yourself to be consistent with hitting the gym (and everything else that comes with it), now you have a muscular body. Same goes for the social aspect. It doesn’t matter if you end up talking to only men. That’s why I think it’s better for you to lower your value on online dating, there are other things that will make you stronger as a person and more positive about life.

The thing I want to say is that I think you have your focus on the wrong thing. You have to find your goals that you can work on everyday. Because you can’t find professional help, I’d really recommend doing the Jordan B Peterson “Self Authoring Program”. That’s the reason I postponed dating for a few months. I had to sort myself out first, so I can focus on the day and have my own goals that I can work on everyday, that will bring me good and make me stronger as a person. Another thing that helped me alot was to do the UnderstandMyself Program of Jordan B Peterson, then you know more why you are who you are, because of your personality. You can look that up yourself if you’re interested.

Don't know if you ever go on Reddit, but plenty of guys on there have admitted to losing their virginity to an escort or just by paying for it, and many have admitted they have no regrets doing that

Thanks man, I appreciate that. I definitely have experienced a lot of bad stuff for someone my age. May have undiagnosed ptsd.

I know it's kind of goofy to put a number on it, like age 30 is some magical digit. I kinda feel like once I get to 30, women will start to be concerned why I waited so long. Like I'm defective...

I don't work yet, my logic has been just lift weights for several hours a day and a job would interfere with that schedule. If I had known there wasn't a light at the end of the tunnel, I would have gotten a job long ago. Spent the whole pandemic lifting weights and smoking weed. (Lived off of $30,000 I had in savings).
Now I want a job to move out ASAP, but I gotta wait until mid January to be sure my urine is clean for a drug test.

I seriously lack a social life, always have. Living in this small town is definitely not helping. No idea how people meet in small towns or where 20-30 year olds gather.

Oh yeah I've been all over Reddit. In fact I shamelessly promoted parts of Chris's guide on there, without having actually tested it myself.

An escort is an idea, I just need to decide if an escort is a better choice than suicide. Lol

ResentCourtship2099 wrote: Don't know if you ever go on Reddit, but plenty of guys on there have admitted to losing their virginity to an escort or just by paying for it, and many have admitted they have no regrets doing that

Any advice for the above scenario? The stuff about basic lines I could say to women in public to get their numbers/dates?

And advice on if my online messaging approach is logical or just plain bad?

Right, this is going to be firm, fair and lacking in safe/sensitive cotton wool. You're not disqualified from getting laid just by being bald, much like you're not entitled to getting laid and having happy and healthy dating relationships with women if you look like a discount mens health model. Check out Chris' lonely body builder articles for more on that btw...

You're not getting laid because your attitude fucking sucks and you're mental game is that of a pre-pubescent kitten. You have your insecurities, like we all do, but yours rule you and cripple you to the point where you cannot take any action. If you have depression/suicidal thoughts, that honestly sucks, but do something about it and get out of your self masturbatory pit of despair. Get professional help and talk to someone. Whilst you do that, tell them about your lack of social skills, talk about your childhood, see if they can unpick the layers of bad habits & learned negative behaviours that caused you to be as you are.

Depressed guys get laid, look at any shitty rock/acoustic singer you've ever seen. Bald guys get laid all the time, bald muscular guys get laid ALL THE TIME. As long as you have some social acuity, be cool, relaxed, fun to be around, not a drain on social energy and bring some nice energy to the environment. AND TALK TO PEOPLE, MEN INCLUDED.

There's so much more you need to hear at this point, but from what i can see, it's probably things you've heard before, or people have tried to tell you before. You simply just need positive action and to change/upgrade your negative behaviours.

Get up, go for a fucking walk in the park, pet a dog, say hello to a granny, get professional therapy, talk to people. GET FRIENDS WHO DATE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT. And get out of your pit of bullshit.

Update: good news, I probably won't kill myself!

I had a revelation today, it completely changed my suicidal thoughts & gave me renewed hope.

It dawned on me that literally every single dating app wasn't working for me, which baffled me because my profiles were all solid.
I came to the conclusion that it's because I'm bald. You can deny this if you want, but they've done studies on this proving that bald men don't get very many matches online. This is evidenced by thick haired men doing experiments with/without hair. Bald always loses big time.

I realized that the solution is simple, I just have to let my hair grow back!!!
You see, I was given poor advice a year or 2 ago, I was told that balding is bad and should be shaved off entirely.
But that's only true if you are balding very badly, I only have a receding hairline. It's significantly receded, but I don't have a bald crown and by keeping it super short I just look military.

Apparently 1-2 inches on top is enough to offset the balding, thus giving me access to pussy land!
I know this to be true, because before I shaved it I was getting stared down hard by women for prolonged periods. I wasn't even that muscular back then.

I have hope again, I have a future now.
I'm also going to get a job in 10 days, should help big time. Every single person in this state is obsessed with what you do for a living.

Here is a subreddit thread from Reddit, posts from guys, men, who admit to having no regrets paying for sex in order to lose the V-card:
www.reddit.com/r/EscortClientsOnly/