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You can take Cialis with SARMs and the sex drive is not hampered at all.
I don't know if this would work for everyone, but I've done it and had no issues with erection quality.
In the past, I've taken RAD 140, LGD, Ostarine, S4, and MK-677 and have had no issues when supplemented with Cialis.
Disclaimer: I'm also on TRT and HCG, both of which are meaningful variables in the libedo equation.
Understandably, some guys might be hesitant to solve a problem with pills, but if you're taking gear, nootropics, etc, you're probably already cool with using pills to give an edge to your performance.
Temporarily unavailable as I need to focus on other areas of my life. Only focusing on no more than two goals at once. Best of luck to you guys.
@gravytrain: I didn't post a log of it. It was a complete waste (I had no idea what I was doing with eating, training, etc). Did testosterone 500mg for 14 weeks, gained a little bit of weight (like 4lbs) and a tiny bit of strength. I was only eating 2500cals though, and fucking around in the gym (doing bicep curls and shit).
Since then, I've been eating properly (3500 cals a day), training properly (doing squat + bench + deadlifts 3 times a week), and paying a strength coach each week. That's all done FAR more for my strength and musculature.
Andy, Mr. Juxtaposition is where it's at. One of my greatest fears is looking like what I do (computer programmer) lol. When I first started all of this, I fully revolted against myself. But that was insincere, and it kind of ate away at me. I eventually settled into the happy medium, and stopped thinking that I have to pretend to be something I'm not just to get laid. I actually like the edgier look anyways. I wore bandanas back in college when Chris was still a pickup monkey (years before GLL even existed)!
Regarding libido, it's not really an issue with erections, it's an issue with horniness. Like if I wanted to, I might jerk off twice a week. Contrast this to other times when I had to struggle not to beat it multiple times per day. Since erections aren't a problem, that might mean it actually has nothing to do with test or other sex hormones. It's probably more mental/psychological. I can't wrap my head around where the line is exactly. In fact I think most of the reason the "natural test boosters" (tribulus, tongkat, etc.) are considered a scam is because, for boosting test, they totally are. But that's not what they're for. They're aphrodisiacs. They "increase sex drive", which doesn't seem to be the same thing as "raising testosterone".
And if it's not related to sex hormones, the SARMs could be a red herring. Unpacking all of this from an N = 1 dataset is complicated. It took me years to realize that extreme dieting crashed my nervous system after a few weeks. For a while I thought it was adrenal fatigue from coffee abuse (I was abusing coffee to self-medicate the diet-induced symptoms). I have to try to match up correlations, search for plausible causal connections, and see if it's repeatable.
I'm actually putting more of my focus on workaholism and negativity. The attitude I have toward getting laid might be ironically discouraging me, because I see it as a reason I have to work all the time and never relax. This was probably a good thing when I was finishing the AA program, but now I'm burnt out (and I need to accept I already put in the hard work on fundamentals, this is supposed to be the period where I have fun and reap the benefits). I'm mindful enough to see how supremely negative and angry I've gotten lately, like I'm always pissed about being in traffic (I live in LA, I signed up for that), when lines are long at stores, little annoyances send me into rampages, and I was developing a really unhealthy attitude at work.
Then, when that starts draining me and I don't feel like doing anything else, and I start skipping out on basic chores, getting "lazy", not pursuing my goals, etc., I start getting angry at myself and calling myself a worthless lazy piece of shit with terrible self-discipline (despite the fact I do things like protein sparing modified fasts with 0 cheats when I want to lose weight). I'm putting myself under too much pressure, and that actually somewhat relates to my relationship with this community. I have to remember I'm doing this for me, not to impress anyone here. I've almost completely lost touch with the fact I genuinely want to have sex with girls, and it's gotten wrapped up in reputation, showing off, competition, and all this other stuff I ultimately don't find very inspiring. The validation seeking fueled me for a while. I think I've gotten so much validation just from being able to directly approach girls, it now comes back to: do you actually want some pussy?
The ultimate challenge with this getting laid stuff, I've found, is that because it isn't life or death, it's way to easy to get stuck in a comfortable depression and just let it be. That's what makes me wonder about my sex drive. It shouldn't be this "meh" that I'm not getting laid. I should care more, and at times I do. Last Jan/Feb I was so horny I couldn't think straight (thanks to no fapping), and that's when I committed to finishing the AA program.
Blaming it on SARMs might be making it too easy. Unfortunately it's likely a lot more complicated than simply adding, or subtracting, some pills. I want to see what, if any, the herbal aphrodisiacs do.
I have two concrete goals at the moment to deal with this.
1: Use mindset techniques to catch myself getting angry about little stuff and just stop. Stop myself from getting worked up at my job, stop worrying about stuff, stop getting into spirals of negative thinking. Stop being sarcastic. Stop thinking that everyone else is an obnoxious moron.
2: Follow Chris'
Life or Death
advice and go do something fun and memorable every 2 weeks. His description of GLL guys who are thinking to themselves, "I should be working on X, I shouldn't be doing this right now" is so fucking spot on with me. The last snowboarding trip I went on I wanted to leave so I could go work on approach anxiety. It was two fucking days. I just couldn't let myself unwind. LA has tons of Meetup groups who do shit like cruises, trips to Mexico, snowboarding trips, and also more frequently smaller stuff like hikes and concerts. Telling myself "I don't have time for that right now" is stupid and obviously self-destructive.
I really just need to get out of my room, off my computer and start living. I identified back in May that I have a computer/internet addiction but I never dealt with it. No time like the present.
I've found that I can't rely on my sex drive to motivate me to get girls. I've made hitting on girls and asking them out into a habit that I do even if I don't feel like it. I treat it like going to the gym. It's a pain in the ass, but I'm glad I do it and the rewards at the end are worth it. I remember you saying a while ago if getting laid is your number one priority then you need to get everything else off your plate and keep disciplined about making it happen. It seems like you just need to focus on what actually matters and stop worrying about all this other stuff.
"Since erections aren't a problem, that might mean it actually has nothing to do with test or other sex hormones"
No ya goose. Hormones MASSIVELY influence sex drive and motivation to have sex. If your estrogen is too high, you won't want to have sex/jerk off. Or if estrogen is too low. Or test is too low. Or DHT is too low.
I had that a couple times in my test cycle because my estrogen was too high (I even got a blood test to confirm this). I could still get erections, I just wasn't interested in sex - I could go 5 days without sex/jerking off. (Normally I wanna jerk off daily). It felt like I "forgot" sex was even a concept.
LOL okay! Estrogen... you know I haven't been taking Arimistane on this cycle, which I normally do. I'm gonna add some of that in.
Also, my accent... most Americans say I don't have one, but a few hear a slight Southern accent. I am from Virginia.
Colorado, I agree with everything you said, and what I'm talking about meshes with it. In order to focus on one goal, this shit is very important. That's something I've learned the hard way. If I try to lock myself away and work on something with no breaks and no life outside of it, I end up in this negative feedback loop where I can't get control of myself then get really pissed off that I'm not actually working all the time.
Doing something fun one day every 2 weeks is not multitasking. I've BS'd myself a lot with that lie. Honestly I can just need some kind of new experience. Going to Austin back in March really helped kick ass for a while. Just going somewhere I've never been, seeing things I've never seen, it gets me out of my head. I can tell how it affects me to try to be "all work, no play", where I just do the same fucking loop every day (get up, go to work, go to gym, approach girls, go home, eat dinner, go to sleep, get up, over and over) for weeks (months) on end with no exceptions. I can say until I'm blue in the face, "discipline, just do what you gotta do", but it's written all over the wall how if I neglect certain things, I just won't (and getting angry that I can't just flip on a light switch and be a machine very predictably follows with me even more undisciplined). Even just going for a hike for an hour at a place I've never been can help a lot.
Getting off my computer and out of my room is definitely part of being more disciplined. It's funny, I've said so many times (and I actually did it last summer, at the same time I had so far my most successful dating streak) I'm gonna go on Meetup and find fun shit to do every 2 weeks, then never follow through. Wasting time on my computer in my room is not productive.
Doing something that really helps me unwind is
. It's part of discipline to plan breaks and recreational shit instead of neglecting it and then "spontaneously" taking breaks. That's why I plan a "goof off" day every week. When I "skip" it, which is like skipping a gym day, I pay for it (by ultimately goofing off at times and on days where it's more costly).
Picking up another goal right now, I could not agree more. No, I said in February, this is my life until I reach my sex goals. No fucking distractions. The mental effects of overworking and being too isolated are becoming a huge distraction. I need to get that out of my way so I can focus on this.
The negativity/mindset stuff, that's very important too, especially in a game like hitting on girls. Well, it's not really much of an issue during the day. At night (bars/clubs), I know being in a shitty downer "fuck all these stupid people and all this stupid music, God they're all so drunk and loud and annoying" mood ruins it. When that gets topped with some cunty girl being all cunty, that's it. Even if I could keep doing it until I found a DTF girl, will I have the killer instinct to make it happen when I'm in that kind of mood?
Now I'm not saying "wait until you're in a good mood, then go talk to girls". That is also fucking poison. Being in bad moods is not an excuse to be lazy and skip tasks (just like "I don't feel like it" is not an excuse to skip a gym day). As soon as I get in that mindset, suddenly I feel just shitty enough to "not be able" to do something. No, fuck that. A lot of the time, just doing shit puts me in a better mood. I know for sure if I actually got some good memorable pussy it would make me "feel like" getting laid.
The point is, it's a factor that encourages you to do just that, so it's foolish to ignore it. I'm not going to take sleeping pills two hours before I'm supposed to work out. Spending all my time alone (by choice), letting myself get way too worked up about tiny shit that does not matter (and other forms of negativity that are obvious to me) is basically the same thing in general. It's just self-sabotage. It's basically just not taking care of myself.
Getting laid is my #1 GOAL and I am ALL IN. I very much believe this all will facilitate that goal.
I was having the exact same thoughts not too long ago and I just caught myself and said you're fuckin 24, yea youve done some shit in the past but on the whole i put a lot of effort into eating healthy, gym, etc. just go out and enjoy yourself, smoke cigs drink alcohol and dont be too serious about it. I know I'm lucky to be young and I don't want to waste my 20s being too asinine about pushing myself to the limits 100% of the time.
Life really goes in a lot of different cycles and sometimes you might be balls to the wall but even if you're not 100% of where we want to be at the end goal we've gotta take a step back and relax and enjoy the process of it all. ive got my 20's and 30's to have a really good time, and if i take care of my shit i can probably reach all my goals.
ur hella young too, have a dope job i work in analytics but i was reading into the fucking job offers cs guys get and shitting my pants.. these 50k start up + 500k stock + 100k salary deals. i sometimes feel awkward about saying my job title but honestly i fuckin love it. I get to make good money im not busting my ass shoveling dirt all day and on the weekend i can drop cash like a scumbag and buy fresh fuckin clothes. its sweet
enjoy life man. thats all i can say
edit: not to mention u can get job offers all over the world as a computer programmer. u can literally live next to any nightlife area in the western world make bank and fuck chicks. its a good life
According to the interwebz it's a crapshoot. Some guys say because SARMs bind to some androgen receptors, it leaves more test free and available to convert to estrogen.
Really I should get a hormone test. I actually have a saliva one (questionable accuracy) I got a while ago and never used. But I'm not gonna use it yet, because I started taking arimistane and I feel way better and hornier. I also rubbed some DHEA cream on myself this morning. It made my balls hurt for a little bit (I think that's what it was) but then I think that helped improved things even more. So I'm gonna keep that routine unless I start having issues again.
Today, I got flat out rejected online for my height. I sent the "you're sexy, blah blah want some casual fun" message to a girl, she said yeah she's down, gave me her number, then asked me what my height is. I lied and said 5'9" (I'm 5'7" barefoot), then bam. Didn't hear back from her after that.
I was honestly devastated (she was pretty damn hot too). The one fucking thing about, the one thing, that is below average, and I can't do a God dammed thing about it. I was so upset about it I stuffed myself into 3 inches of lifts with boots before I went out to approach girls.
Some guys suggested if that happens again, just straight up lie even more and say you're 6 feet tall. I'm gonna do that. If she comes over and says, "eww you're not that tall" and leaves, at least I'll know that's the risk I'm running.
There are few things in the world I find more annoying than short guys who bitch about being short (I mean at a point I can understand, but guys around my height, shut the fuck about it), so no fucking way am I gonna become one of those guys who says, "to get laid you have to be tall". I already know that's not true. I did honestly think about buying steroids after this happened though. Insecurity is a hell of a motivator.
Last night, I had my second date from cold approach. Really chill and very hot chick I met at the gym, couple weeks ago, she kept giving me the "I'm busy" runaround but apparently it was truthful, she just finished school and finally has time to hang out. I didn't make any move on her, which is unusual for me lately, but frankly I think I just wanted validation from a cold approach date. I had a good time with her and didn't really feel a strong need to escalate (she had to work the next morning anyways). Now I'm gonna invite her over to my place.
However, she said before she left that I "take forever" to text back. Every single girl I've gotten involved with (one exception, the below average girl I chilled with last summer who got super into me) has said this in some way or another. Both cold approached girls I've gone out with have said this. On one hand, I wonder if I should care. Maybe that just means they like me and get annoyed I'm not giving them more attention. On the other hand, I have a problem with avoiding texting back for a while, which might be related to old pre-GLL notions of "not looking too eager". I am making the following commitment:
Text or message girls back as soon as you get the message
I'm not chatting with girls over text, I'm trying to plan meetups. But I wait a really long time to text back. That probably isn't helping, and it indicates I'm not serious enough about this.
Today, partly because I was so pissed/hurt about the height thing, I actually went through with my plan of asking a girl I approached to hang out tonight. She wasn't down (said she was just visiting, didn't have time), but at least I went for it. Another commitment:
Instead of packing approaches into a few days, spread them out over every day, and try to do it until a girl agrees to meet up that night
I think four fucking times in a row I got "strong leads" from cold approaching (girl says she's single, gives me her number, acts really excited to meet me, responds to my initial text with something substantial), who all went silent as soon as I said, "what are you up to on X night?" The fuck!? I'm getting tired of this. I need to get these girls out on the fucking spot.
And let me be clear, because I need to say this out loud to myself: you are a fuckboi. You are a dirty, animalistic, immature horny dude who thinks with his dick. There is nothing wrong with wanting to just fuck girls. There is nothing immoral or usurious about no strings smashing of genitalia. I need to remember that when I'm out there screening and chilling with these girls. I'm not used to being this guy. I'm the "nice guy" who's "different" from all those other guys who are so base with their carnal desires (read: a manipulative asshole, that's using girls). No, fuck that. If a girl gets up set and says, "oh so you just care about sex? God you're such a douchebag", I'll respond:
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