TOPIC: @Chris: Sex talk to avoid friendzone

Hey guys.

approaching girls is easy for me now but I believe most girls think that I want to be their boyfriend when I approach them. For example one girl said "I'm sorry but I don't want a boyfriend right now...." or another girl said "Sry I have just met another person", it's really frustrating.

I think the best solution to this would be to throw some sexual things into the conversation a bit, of course it should be ambiguous and not too direct. But I have no clue how to do this. Sometimes when a girl responds back to me on whatsapp I induce sex talk by asking the girl when she had her last boyfriend and then when was the last time she had sex. I did this only with two girls, but they weren't interested I think they just wanted whatsapp "talk buddies".
Here is a plan that I constructed:

I approach as usual "hi I think you are cool, I just wanted to come over and say hi, *shakes hands*" (works almost all the time, never had a refusal of hand shake)
blablabla
blablabla
(about random stuff)
near the end of the conversation I tell her:
"ok look I think you are sexy and I can think about many things that we can do together, we can exchange numbers if you want and text each other for a start"

This would be at least somewhat sexual. I also thought about taking the girls hand before I say this, but I have to get used to this, it's not so easy if you haven't experienced the reactions of the girls yourself.
What do you think about this? Is there any other way how I can avoid this friendzone thing?

There are several things you can do to prevent this from happening.

I'm qualified to answer this because in the 50+ dates I've had from cold approach not one girl has ever said "let's just be friends" or anything of that variety.

#1 is you can dress like a player. I'd put all my money on you having a very nice guy getup when you go out. A haircut can go a long way, as can switching to tighter jeans, wearing contacts instead of glasses etc. You can post you style on the forum and get critiques, just cut out your face if you want (or don't)

2# is physical touch. WAY more powerful than words. Don't even bother tryina have sexual talks with girls when you meet them, the following is 10x as effective: when you shake their hand, keep holding their hand until they start to take it back, then let go. AKA hold their hand a little bit longer than is normal. That VERY clearly communicates to the girl that you mean business. A little touch goes a LONG way during the daytime.

#3 is having a more masculine presence in general. Stand tall, keep your chest out, direct eye contact, firm voice. This will mostly come with practice, and is really only to supplement points #1 and #2. When you hit on a girl confidently, she'll intuitively understand that this isn't your first rodeo, which immediately takes you out of friend-zone territory.

BIB's advice is solid.

I'm also curious, why don't you just tell the girl at the end of the convo:

'Hey you seem cool. Put your number in my phone and we'll catch up later'

Sex talk won't help you avoid friendzone. If you give off the wrong vibe, sex talk will either put you in friendzone or wired creeper zone. It should only happen after points 1-3 in BIB's advice has been done correctly.

Im not in any position to be giving out advice on how to get laid but your situation was very similar to mine so I'll share my experience . Maybe my experience might benefit you somehow .


When I first started approaching and getting numbers , alot of the girls would never reply back to my texts , I got really annoyed about collecting numbers that didnt lead to anything . At this time I was doing Basic guy game / sometimes nervous /new guy game.

I decided to change my mentality and be more aggressive when approaching , more physical , more sex talk . I thought it would be better to screen the girls super hard , find out the ones that are into me and weed out the girls that are not interested. I read GLL guide to Screening . Most of the time I tried to touch the girl within the first min , just a light touch on the shoulder, I would see how she reacted , if it went well then I would Slowly escalate with more light touching . After some small talk if I thought she was into me I would escalate more and more , when I was close to certain a girl was attracted to me I would grab her ass , go for a kiss , put her hand on my cock .

I did this aggressive game last year for many months . Its a numbers game 100% so I obviously got alot of rejections / sorry I have a bf . During this time I ran into 5-6 girls that were completely Dtf , I was making out with them , sex talk , touching everywhere ........ my only problem was ..... MY LOGISTICS SUCKED ! ....... I had no where to bring the girls back to .

So basically I would spend a couple hours with the girls talking , making out, touching .... since I had no place to go I would try and arrange a meetup in the future with them . We would talk about our future plans and exchange numbers , the girls seemed very interested in me I thought . So we exchanged numbers , kiss , make out more , then say goodbye .

Then I would text them the next day or few days later and ....... NO REPLY BACK .

I would send a couple texts every few days and still no reply back .

For ALL 5-6 girls that I've done this with , NONE of them replied back to me . Even thou they seemed attracted to me / they were touching my dick , making out with me .... they never replied back . This could be many reasons - They prob thought I was only after sex , maybe they were on the period , maybe they felt super sluty and worried their friends might find out so they just avoided me and in their mind nothing ever happened , could be that they were just super horny when I approached them . I thought about it alot and it actually made me depressed , I was confused as to why would a girl do all of that stuff with me and not even reply back to my texts . There could be a millions reasons why girls behave a certain way and we'll just never know. - Nowadays I dont take anything personally , its a numbers game , just move on to the next one.

But basically it All came down to ..... MY LOGISTICS SUCKED !

If I just had my own place to bring those girls back I would of banged all of them the same exact day.


So if your going to do the Aggressive approach , just make sure you have Good Logistics for when you run into a girl thats Dtf , with girls you have to be prepared and act fast because their moods change quickly .

mLuciej wrote:
I decided to change my mentality and be more aggressive when approaching , more physical , more sex talk . I thought it would be better to screen the girls super hard , find out the ones that are into me and weed out the girls that are not interested. I read GLL guide to Screening . Most of the time I tried to touch the girl within the first min , just a light touch on the shoulder, I would see how she reacted , if it went well then I would Slowly escalate with more light touching . After some small talk if I thought she was into me I would escalate more and more , when I was close to certain a girl was attracted to me I would grab her ass , go for a kiss , put her hand on my cock .

You did this during the daytime (put her hand on your cock)??? I do only daygame because nowadays I don't like clubs any more.
My logistics are good. I live 5 minutes away from the place where I can approach girls. I live in a big city.

Thank you for your replies. My looks are ok I think. I'm well trained and I usually just wear jeans and a tight t-shirt that emphasize my muscles, nothing fancy. In summertime I usually get many looks from girls. But I always fail to approach girls that give me eye contact haha, super stupid. I have a bit problems with my hair, I'm almost bald but I wear it super short and many people said that I really don't look like I'm bald and they don't even recognize it and I look good anyway. Sometimes girls say that I look attractive. When I had full hair in the past girls almost regularly (mostly once a month) told me that I'm attractive. So I think my baldness has reduced my attractiveness only a bit I guess. It's weird but as long as I get looks from girls I don't really think about it much.

But ok I really have to try this hand taking thing. Let's see if I can implement this in my game. It's a bit scary because I don't yet know the reactions of the girls. You always have to experience these things by yourself, reading about it doesn't work. Ok thank you, I'm working on this.

Bad Idea Bear wrote: There are several things you can do to prevent this from happening.

I'm qualified to answer this because in the 50+ dates I've had from cold approach not one girl has ever said "let's just be friends" or anything of that variety.

#1 is you can dress like a player. I'd put all my money on you having a very nice guy getup when you go out. A haircut can go a long way, as can switching to tighter jeans, wearing contacts instead of glasses etc. You can post you style on the forum and get critiques, just cut out your face if you want (or don't)

2# is physical touch. WAY more powerful than words. Don't even bother tryina have sexual talks with girls when you meet them, the following is 10x as effective: when you shake their hand, keep holding their hand until they start to take it back, then let go. AKA hold their hand a little bit longer than is normal. That VERY clearly communicates to the girl that you mean business. A little touch goes a LONG way during the daytime.

#3 is having a more masculine presence in general. Stand tall, keep your chest out, direct eye contact, firm voice. This will mostly come with practice, and is really only to supplement points #1 and #2. When you hit on a girl confidently, she'll intuitively understand that this isn't your first rodeo, which immediately takes you out of friend-zone territory.

Hey, thx for reply. I try to look kind of edgy, but how can I fucking do this during winter? No problem when it's summer where I mostly wear some tight t-shirt that emphasise my muscles, I also feel much more confident when it's summer. But in winter, I have no clue. Here are two picture of my outfit today. Shoes could be better I think. But I have no idea what to wear when it's cold. I think I look much better when I wear some t-shirt and so on.

We can't really tell what your outfit looks like from those photos. You need to take a photo were we can actually see your whole style. However, it sort of looks like your jeans are way too loose in that photo, like dad jeans.

I have to ask.. how many times has this actually happened? If you're calling girls sexy this shouldn't happen.

Did this happen just one or two times? If it did, just move on and don't worry about it.

Wait, I'm re-reading your post right now and it doesn't look like you got friendzoned at all! Those girls just weren't interested or available. The first girls you mentioned were just telling you they weren't interested, it doesn't have anything to do with being their friend.

The girl on Whatsapp just wants attention, and isn't interested in meeting up. There's NOTHING you can do to stop that except screen girls harder. Most girls aren't gonna be dtf.

Also stop trying to talk about sex over text with girls before you meet them. Just use their phone number to set up a date and that's it.

I'm guessing you've approached fewer than 100 girls. Don't worry about this stuff, just keep hitting on bitches and trying to get them out on dates.

'Friend Zone' can be solved up front in 5.6 seconds

When you meet her, Tell the girl

"You're sexy..."
"You're attractive - I wanted to introduce myself..."

No friendzone ever