TOPIC: Approaching without eye contact/any IOI

CitySleek wrote: Fuking lol at that new age hippy self fulfilling prophecy crap

Wat do u think is more likely op hit on a girl who wasn't into him or "self fulfilling prophecy"

I get a lot of ioi/EC but it only ever mattered to me when I'm not approaching, the INSTANT I start approaching consistently that ioi shit goes out the window and means jackshit, like already said just hit on who u want

Shoot first ask later

Girls give more than just blatant EC as ioi there r much more subtle cues u will learn to pick up on over time. Honestly Man U need both 8+ face and 6 ft + for consistent ioi so likely op u r not in that category

Read this op www.vinaywcmd.com/2015/05/hes-ok-to-look-at.html

I don't know where i am in terms of looks, but I'm short af. 5'4.5. Another guy on here gave me some good advice in terms of maxing my height with insoles. I'm looking into that.

There have been a lot of times when girls give me eye contact and I approach them and it doesn't go anywhere. And then there are times when a girl looks stuck up and looks like she doesn't want to be approached and then I go in and it goes well. So to get around this I approach any girls who I find attractive with or without eye contact.

You obviously have a much better chance if you notice a girl's been checking you out inadvertently or intentionally making eye contact.

But you can definitely still approach even if they are not. Chances of success will be lower for sure because it's a complete cold approach and you know nothing about the girl or where her sexual interests lie.

I can easily approach 20-30 girls in a night and just don't make it weird; half the time I'll be drunk and just go up and say "Damn you're hot as shit," make a kissy/winky face and keep walking. Takes all of 5 seconds, I keep moving so there's no shot of me being "rejected," but at least I'll be able to gauge from her reaction whether or not she'll be open to a longer approach later on in the night.

Good point wolf and thanks for the response. Had some luck this past weekend. Make out in the bar, outside of the bar, even an instance where the girl was waiting for an uber by a stop sign on hollywood blvd ( big world star hip hop moment after her boyfriend eventually came to pick her up tho lol). All in the same night. The thing with that is there is alcohol and phenibut involved and thus; way less inhibition.

However, I guess what i should have asked in the beginning is just how you do guys "stop" a girl while she's walking around? It's obviously easier to do when they're not moving around much like / in a bar/ book store/grocery etc. But im talking about somewhere like Hollywood blvd (during the day) Runyon Canyon or the 3rd street promenade- for those of you familiar with these spots here in LA.

I went out today for example: I tried to make eye contact; sometimes even stopping myself just in front of her and saying "hey" to get her attention. But it often results in her meandering around me or the infamous "deer in headlights look" as she continues walking. I also tried more unorthodox ways like bringing my soccer ball down to the promenade for example and actively taunting people with it on the street (works sometimes oddly enough). But obviously that is impractical for me to do regularly.

Thoughts?

Tell her what to do - just step in her way, smile at her and say STOP. Then chat away.

Unless you are on a college campus, I would just approach and not look for IOIs. The worst case is she calls you weird or creepy.

While some guys can look for IOIs without getting noticed, most of us are so focused on reading her body language that we don't pay attention to our own and it just ends up with us gawking at her.

Colleges, nowadays are steeped in the feminist agenda and if you play the numbers game, you will run into that 1-3% of girls who are constantly angry, and will run to the authorities because some guy talked to her. College authorities will take it seriously because they don't know better.

The thing about only approaching girls that give you eye contact is that you screen out a lot of girls that aren't confident enough to make eye contact that might be into you and girls that might not had the chance to notice you yet.

Just put yourself in the girls shoes for a minute, before you started approaching or trying to get good with women, how many times do you remember when you walked past an attractive girl and didn't try to make eye contact with her?

Sure it's harder, and you'll get less warm reactions than if you get eye contact, but you lose absolutely nothing by approaching and giving it a shot.

I had to think about this one for a minute..

I guess the truth is, I don't often "stop" anyone. During the day, most people have shit to do. If a woman is walking down the street, chances are there's somewhere she's got to be and she isn't in the mood to be hit on. Not to mention, anyone who has lived in any city ever will have an automatic "no, sorry" line of defense towards ANYONE who approaches them (think about how many people come up to you to ask for money, to try and sell you something, etc. etc.)

This is not to discourage you from trying to pick up girls during the day, because you definitely can.. But I'm all about efficiency, so I say fish where the fish are. Parties/Night Game etc. are the way to go in my opinion.

But to try and be more helpful.. I guess if you're trying to get girls sober/during the day, approach with the understanding that MOST people are going to be trying to get away from you. It's not a personal thing, people just don't ever like being approached by strangers. It's usually for an annoying reason (asking for money, trying to sell something, etc.), and as a woman it can be straight up frightening. Don't go head-on or come from behind when you approach because it will shake her and she's going to feel trapped and want to escape.

Actually, Chris has a great article out somewhere on how to approach, and he suggests starting with something like asking for the time or for directions. This is a great way to start a non-threatening conversation. Maybe try asking where the nearest coffee place is, then ask her "actually, are you busy right now? I'd like to buy you a cup to say thanks." etc. etc.

T Wolf wrote: I had to think about this one for a minute..

I guess the truth is, I don't often "stop" anyone. During the day, most people have shit to do. If a woman is walking down the street, chances are there's somewhere she's got to be and she isn't in the mood to be hit on. Not to mention, anyone who has lived in any city ever will have an automatic "no, sorry" line of defense towards ANYONE who approaches them (think about how many people come up to you to ask for money, to try and sell you something, etc. etc.)

This is not to discourage you from trying to pick up girls during the day, because you definitely can.. But I'm all about efficiency, so I say fish where the fish are. Parties/Night Game etc. are the way to go in my opinion.

But to try and be more helpful.. I guess if you're trying to get girls sober/during the day, approach with the understanding that MOST people are going to be trying to get away from you. It's not a personal thing, people just don't ever like being approached by strangers. It's usually for an annoying reason (asking for money, trying to sell something, etc.), and as a woman it can be straight up frightening. Don't go head-on or come from behind when you approach because it will shake her and she's going to feel trapped and want to escape.

Actually, Chris has a great article out somewhere on how to approach, and he suggests starting with something like asking for the time or for directions. This is a great way to start a non-threatening conversation. Maybe try asking where the nearest coffee place is, then ask her "actually, are you busy right now? I'd like to buy you a cup to say thanks." etc. etc.

True. As i said before i've been having a ton more luck during the night and i'll continue to use my spots out here as primary hunting grounds.

You know, A friend of mind actually recommended just that. Asking a girl for directions etc. I've never actually tried it that way. Not that i'm scared to approach like that at all- i just really couldn't think of it playing out more than her telling me what i want to know and her being on her way after. I guess it's why i wait for eye contact etc. That way i know she's probably interested in me more than just "helping someone in need".

I'll give it a try on the weekend and see how far i can push it.

It can't hurt and it's certainly better than waiting around.

See Girl, Move Feet, thats all you gotta think

If I would've only approached girls who gave me eye contact, I would've missed out on 80-90% of my lays, including the very hottest girls I've ever slept with

So no, I do not recommend avoiding girls that show no interest