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Lasttrybern wrote: I recently graduated college as a virgin, sad I know but it was just so difficult to really invest the time into chasing girls. My schedule was bogged down with difficult classes tbh.
I just graduated a few months ago and I got 50+ lays from my junior year to my senior year while taking a full course load every semester while also working part time when I could, while also building my physique and competing in bodybuilding shows. If you care about something, you make the time for it. Don't justify your virginity with saying it was because of a "lack of time".
Scott Glenfield wrote: Far and few between is the norm. It makes me feel bad because I want things to be more easy, but makes me feel good because I'm not so far behind the eight ball.
I agree with this. Most people go alone home on any given night, so for most it will be more time and energy and money efficient to not use the night scene as a pickup environment.
I've talked with girls in the nightlife about this very thing, saying I have them figured out. They will listen curiously when I tell them the stuff we know here on GLL, about girls in groups and them not leaving the group, etc. And they agree with this.
Somewhat related :
most girls you see fall in the 6-8 range (just observe and be objective). Only very few are really stunning (3% max). And yet people always have these expectations to only fuck 8s and 9s all the time and then they are disappointed when they fuck 6s and 7s.
Only trust your own experience.
Every beginner's question has a simple answer : go date 100 girls and you will have your answer. Stop asking stupid questions ; that's what girls do.
LastTryBen: I know you know this, but it will get better. Everything - almost always - gets better with time, attention and effort. Also, it's probably not okay to say this, but the whole "dad took me to a hooker to break my cherry" is a good strategy. Even a hand job would be a start and doesn't cost that much.
I'll probably visit a hand job bar (if I can find one that'll let a non-local in) and get that sorted. I've always been too proud to pay a small fee for attention and sometimes that attention is worth 20x more than what was paid for it. That's really the difference between "I'm desperate and need sex" to "I paid and I feel kinda comfortable - for now." Pride has gotten in the way of living a happy life too many times now.
(Edit: That doesn't mean that I'm going to a hooker every day of the week or anything. I think of it as a little much needed release when times are hard and the fish aren't biting. Kinda like when jerking off doesn't hit the spot anymore. That's when things get tough and it's where a lot of this Do or Die kinda stress comes into things imo.)
DC7: Lol, you are a hard worker. It's definitely a element of your personality.
Leopard: I'm not so bummed that people are in the 5-8 range. I'm more bummed when I don't talk to the 5 - knowing that she could give me the best experience of my life, or at least make me feel happier (getting laid = happy right now). I always feel like that's a major issue and probably why I talk to less girls now than 2 years ago: I'm stuck on 7-9s. Love to be more normal and hit up all types of girls. There's a certain respect for oneself that comes from being able to speak to girls all up and down the spectrum with sincerity.
Good job man but you also went to a commuter school and I am not sure whether or not you were in a big city. I was facing problems with family at home (had fucking curfews starting out!) while I was at a commuter school and when I transferred to my state flagship, things became hard. I would look into rushing a fraternity but they all said they don't bid juniors. I would look for a job in the nightlife scene as a bartender but mostly all of the bars preferred to hire frat guys, a lot even said not to bother.
Most of the times, it really did seem like I was out of options in this regard and it was frustrating to deal with. I was in a college town where once you get out of the university, the quality of women goes way down.
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