TOPIC: Important piece of advice for guys of minority groups still struggling.

goodbetterbest wrote: A plethora of men of color here are voicing their disappointment regarding their inability to seduce white women. Yes it is going to be harder because of your race despite what the white men on here preach. That doesn't make these women racist however. They may love men of color just not you, they may not be attracted to a certain race much like a man may not like obese women or single mothers, there are plenty of reasons why they won't date you. However I feel like a lot of the men complaining can't attract women of their own race because you're average/mediocre. I'm black and I will be first to recognize I don't have the same issues as an East Asian/Indian man, Latin American man, or any other man but there was a time that black women weren't into me, or any women for that matter. I lost weight, built my body, got a decent haircut, grew a pair and magically women of all races started throwing vagina at me. I needed a catchers mitt to be honest. I went from getting lucky every once in a while at 16 to walking into a party, identifying the hottest woman there, and having the breakfast of shame at Daily Grinds (my SDSU players know that spot if it's still open) the next morning at 19. Bottom line, if women of your own race won't fuck you chances are women of any race won't fuck you.

As a Hispanic guy, I find that I have it easier with white girls than latinas these days. A lot of latinas I have run into are color conscious, it's a part of latino culture. I have met latinos that did better with black and white women than latinas.

Similarly, I know of black men who are more "professional" claiming that white women take more interest in them than black women do.

NoStringsAttached wrote:

Sandshark wrote: Yes, it's harder to get hot white girls if you're non-white. But it can be done. You guys need to quit blaming "racism" for your failures if you're not even doing the things that are within your control.

If anybody legit gets their looks good, dresses edgy, beats their anxiety and starts hitting on 20-30 hot white girls per week, etc. and STILL doesn't do well after 6 months or a year, then I'll eat my words. But until then, I don't want to listen to you guys anymore lol.

I personally know, IN REAL LIFE, members of every ethnicity that have gotten hot white girls: black, Latino, Asian, Indian, etc. I'm not saying it's not a little harder for them because they're non-white, but I am saying that if you do the things I recommend, after 1-2 years you'll be getting plenty of hot girls of whatever race you want.

My advice for Indian/Asian Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress edgy. Accessories. Cool t-shirts. Distressed jeans. Get an edgy haircut (like a skin fade). Get insoles to make yourself taller. Tattoos would also help.

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Indian/Asian guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably none. That's why they don't get hot white girls. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

My Advice for Black/Hispanic Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress professional / preppy. Button-down shirts. Polo shirts, Suits. Dress shoes. No visible tattoos, no obviously ethnic hairstyles (afros, dreadlocks, braids, designs in your hair, etc.).

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Black/Hispanic guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably not that many. The few that do (usually ripped black guys) do pretty well. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

Why should Blacks and Latinos dress professional or preppy?

Mark Manson talked about it in his book "Models", you want to off-set the stereotype of your race.

Asians and Indians = nerdy. So you want to act the opposite of that.

Black and Hispanic = opposite of nerdy. So you want to look more professional.

It is good advice, dressing preppy has helped me out a lot.

Khyber Pass wrote: Idk if Im allowed to post links, but this summarizes Mr . Q and Ronin what they said in a positive note
www.blackdragonblog.com/2016/03/10/racia...ice-for-indian-guys/
Amazing info on there im indo/caucasian and confirm 100% ^ indians can play the exotic sex yoga god guy no joke lmao

Reminder, Black Dragon is in Oregon. I regularly read his blog and he has some solid information up but it kinda proves the point about location. Oregon and Washington are very liberal in regards to IR couples. When I went to Seattle, I was amazed at how many Asian guys I saw there dating cute white girls, it was literally an anomaly.

Spoofed Tinder profile to Seattle and my matches went way up, most of them were white girls but some Asian girls along the way too.

I know it doesn't get mentioned much but Washington does have a good number of fit and attractive women, caught me by surprise.

EDIT:

Just got an idea, you guys try spoofing your Tinder profile to different locations to see how your results vary! I am going to experiment with this in the coming weeks and report back with the results if the thread is still open, which I am hoping it is.

Latebloomerloser wrote:

NoStringsAttached wrote:

Sandshark wrote: Yes, it's harder to get hot white girls if you're non-white. But it can be done. You guys need to quit blaming "racism" for your failures if you're not even doing the things that are within your control.

If anybody legit gets their looks good, dresses edgy, beats their anxiety and starts hitting on 20-30 hot white girls per week, etc. and STILL doesn't do well after 6 months or a year, then I'll eat my words. But until then, I don't want to listen to you guys anymore lol.

I personally know, IN REAL LIFE, members of every ethnicity that have gotten hot white girls: black, Latino, Asian, Indian, etc. I'm not saying it's not a little harder for them because they're non-white, but I am saying that if you do the things I recommend, after 1-2 years you'll be getting plenty of hot girls of whatever race you want.

My advice for Indian/Asian Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress edgy. Accessories. Cool t-shirts. Distressed jeans. Get an edgy haircut (like a skin fade). Get insoles to make yourself taller. Tattoos would also help.

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Indian/Asian guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably none. That's why they don't get hot white girls. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

My Advice for Black/Hispanic Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress professional / preppy. Button-down shirts. Polo shirts, Suits. Dress shoes. No visible tattoos, no obviously ethnic hairstyles (afros, dreadlocks, braids, designs in your hair, etc.).

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Black/Hispanic guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably not that many. The few that do (usually ripped black guys) do pretty well. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

Why should Blacks and Latinos dress professional or preppy?

Mark Manson talked about it in his book "Models", you want to off-set the stereotype of your race.

Asians and Indians = nerdy. So you want to act the opposite of that.

Black and Hispanic = opposite of nerdy. So you want to look more professional.

It is good advice, dressing preppy has helped me out a lot.

Fuck that. Idk why you guys are on here if you guys don't take Chris' advice. Ever since I started dressing more edgy and increasing my sex appeal, I started fucking more girls and getting more female attention, even from white girls.

I'm Latino, dark skinned, and this year I have fucked at least 4 white girls and gone out with other white girls.

My first girlfriend was white; she's Ukrainian. So I come on this thread and see all you guys complaining about white girls and I don't get it. I live in LA so it might be different elsewhere, but I always get attention from white girls and girls from every race wherever I go.

Sure there are racist people and not everyone will like you or not everyone will like brown people, but there are a lot of white girls who are into brown men.

The way I see it, if you look good, women from all races will love you. Y'all just gotta get rid of that limiting belief that white girls don't like brown men.

If a white girl doesn't like you, it's not because she's racist, it's most likely because you're not sexy.

Fuck that. Idk why you guys are on here if you guys don't take Chris' advice. Ever since I started dressing more edgy and increasing my sex appeal, I started fucking more girls and getting more female attention, even from white girls.

I'm Latino, dark skinned, and this year I have fucked at least 4 white girls and gone out with other white girls.

My first girlfriend was white; she's Ukrainian. So I come on this thread and see all you guys complaining about white girls and I don't get it. I live in LA so it might be different elsewhere, but I always get attention from white girls and girls from every race wherever I go.

Sure there are racist people and not everyone will like you or not everyone will like brown people, but there are a lot of white girls who are into brown men.

The way I see it, if you look good, women from all races will love you. Y'all just gotta get rid of that limiting belief that white girls don't like brown men.

If a white girl doesn't like you, it's not because she's racist, it's most likely because you're not sexy.

Preach it Daddy!

I just want to say that in the end, quality always prevails and quality guys will get theirs.

I live in what is arguably the most racist state in the entire country (Georgia) and we used to have segregated proms not too long ago, we even made the news for it. A lot of these girls have been raised their whole lives to hate guys of minority groups and only stick to white boys. Plenty of these girls come from families where dinner conversations resemble a scene from Django Unchained.

The girls themselves aren't racist at all, they're just girls and like girls anywhere else, they are going to go for guys that can help their social status. Racism comes from families, friends, and the society in that given area.

Despite all that, I see top tier guys get top tier girls. I might not see a top tier brown dude with a top tier blonde down here but I do see top tier brown dudes with top tier brown girls. One of my Mexican friends is dating this Persian beauty, no big deal since she isn't white.

I am just saying, top tier guys aren't sitting lonely and sexless in most places. Now they might not be able to get hot white girls in my state but they can sure as hell get hot girls of all other races. Given the quality of non-white girls in the state, I can say that it isn't that bad of a trade-off at all. The quality of white girls here stinks anyways.

As an Indian guy (no accent and born and raised in America) who has spent years learning game, chasing women, and has thought a good bit about the racism thing; what I can say is that location does matter a good bit.

In my own experience, the northeast/Mid-Atlantic corner of the USA (especially the Tri-State area outside of NYC) is pretty rough for Indian and Muslim men. People in the area are very aware of racial stereotypes, extremely conscious about how others perceive them, and quite racist themselves. I heard a lot of Indian jokes, open racism, and tons of bad stereotypes about Indian men being shouted/told right at my face by other guys. The girls often showed disgust whenever an Indian guy would talk to them as well, this was especially true for white girls in the area. To make matters worse, the local guys were often the type who were looking for a fight.

There is definitely a lot of racism towards Indian males there, from people of all races like blacks, whites, and Hispanics.

I wouldn't worry about it too much though, the girls there are often hideous anyways. I did manage to do quite well with the European girls and girls that were transplants to the area but even then, confrontations were somewhat the norm. Guy would come up and try to flirt with a girl when she was with me, when I told them to get lost, they would start mocking me with an Indian accent or try to start a fight.

That is where location starts to matter, when there is such hatred towards people of your group that other guys in the area feel like they can bully you or try to snatch the hot girl away from you. When local girls in the area refuse to go for you since it would be social suicide to do so.

Ever since moving out of the Mid-Atlantic, I've had far more luck with white girls and I mean cute ones. I've done better down south and a lot better out west as well. I can play the Indian card as being exotic and I've definitely gotten some quality girls from it.

Do not underestimate how amazing the game can be for an Indian guy with his shit together.

Key word of advice, I would strongly avoid "blue collar" type of areas.

Areas with blue collar whites have tons of rugged, xenophobic, and confrontational white guys who will start a fight in a heart beat if they see a hot blonde with some ethnic looking guys.

NoStringsAttached wrote:

Latebloomerloser wrote:

NoStringsAttached wrote:

Sandshark wrote: Yes, it's harder to get hot white girls if you're non-white. But it can be done. You guys need to quit blaming "racism" for your failures if you're not even doing the things that are within your control.

If anybody legit gets their looks good, dresses edgy, beats their anxiety and starts hitting on 20-30 hot white girls per week, etc. and STILL doesn't do well after 6 months or a year, then I'll eat my words. But until then, I don't want to listen to you guys anymore lol.

I personally know, IN REAL LIFE, members of every ethnicity that have gotten hot white girls: black, Latino, Asian, Indian, etc. I'm not saying it's not a little harder for them because they're non-white, but I am saying that if you do the things I recommend, after 1-2 years you'll be getting plenty of hot girls of whatever race you want.

My advice for Indian/Asian Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress edgy. Accessories. Cool t-shirts. Distressed jeans. Get an edgy haircut (like a skin fade). Get insoles to make yourself taller. Tattoos would also help.

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Indian/Asian guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably none. That's why they don't get hot white girls. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

My Advice for Black/Hispanic Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress professional / preppy. Button-down shirts. Polo shirts, Suits. Dress shoes. No visible tattoos, no obviously ethnic hairstyles (afros, dreadlocks, braids, designs in your hair, etc.).

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Black/Hispanic guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably not that many. The few that do (usually ripped black guys) do pretty well. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

Why should Blacks and Latinos dress professional or preppy?

Mark Manson talked about it in his book "Models", you want to off-set the stereotype of your race.

Asians and Indians = nerdy. So you want to act the opposite of that.

Black and Hispanic = opposite of nerdy. So you want to look more professional.

It is good advice, dressing preppy has helped me out a lot.

Fuck that. Idk why you guys are on here if you guys don't take Chris' advice. Ever since I started dressing more edgy and increasing my sex appeal, I started fucking more girls and getting more female attention, even from white girls.

I'm Latino, dark skinned, and this year I have fucked at least 4 white girls and gone out with other white girls.

My first girlfriend was white; she's Ukrainian. So I come on this thread and see all you guys complaining about white girls and I don't get it. I live in LA so it might be different elsewhere, but I always get attention from white girls and girls from every race wherever I go.

Sure there are racist people and not everyone will like you or not everyone will like brown people, but there are a lot of white girls who are into brown men.

The way I see it, if you look good, women from all races will love you. Y'all just gotta get rid of that limiting belief that white girls don't like brown men.

If a white girl doesn't like you, it's not because she's racist, it's most likely because you're not sexy.

I've found that Euro/Eastern Euro/Slavic women hardly care that much about race. What OP was likely talking about was getting the good ol All American type of white girls as opposed to Russian or Eastern Euro ones.

Justcountingstars wrote:

NoStringsAttached wrote:

Latebloomerloser wrote:

NoStringsAttached wrote:

Sandshark wrote: Yes, it's harder to get hot white girls if you're non-white. But it can be done. You guys need to quit blaming "racism" for your failures if you're not even doing the things that are within your control.

If anybody legit gets their looks good, dresses edgy, beats their anxiety and starts hitting on 20-30 hot white girls per week, etc. and STILL doesn't do well after 6 months or a year, then I'll eat my words. But until then, I don't want to listen to you guys anymore lol.

I personally know, IN REAL LIFE, members of every ethnicity that have gotten hot white girls: black, Latino, Asian, Indian, etc. I'm not saying it's not a little harder for them because they're non-white, but I am saying that if you do the things I recommend, after 1-2 years you'll be getting plenty of hot girls of whatever race you want.

My advice for Indian/Asian Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress edgy. Accessories. Cool t-shirts. Distressed jeans. Get an edgy haircut (like a skin fade). Get insoles to make yourself taller. Tattoos would also help.

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Indian/Asian guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably none. That's why they don't get hot white girls. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

My Advice for Black/Hispanic Guys (for what it's worth):

1. Get ripped. 8-12% bodyfat with some muscle. Lift weights and eat a high-protein diet that's 500-1000 calories over maintenance (you can find calculators on the internet) to gain weight and 500-1000 calories under maintenance to lose weight.

2. Dress professional / preppy. Button-down shirts. Polo shirts, Suits. Dress shoes. No visible tattoos, no obviously ethnic hairstyles (afros, dreadlocks, braids, designs in your hair, etc.).

3. Do the Approach Anxiety Program or the Going Out Alone Program. Personally, I think the Going Out Alone Program is easier. After that, hit on 20+ girls per week.

4. Move to a big city with lots of hot girls that doesn't have a big stigma on interracial dating. I recommend Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc.

5. Be honest with yourself. How many ripped, edgy-looking Black/Hispanic guys do you know in real life who hit on 20+ hot white girls a week? Probably not that many. The few that do (usually ripped black guys) do pretty well. If you do those things, you'll probably be fine.

Why should Blacks and Latinos dress professional or preppy?

Mark Manson talked about it in his book "Models", you want to off-set the stereotype of your race.

Asians and Indians = nerdy. So you want to act the opposite of that.

Black and Hispanic = opposite of nerdy. So you want to look more professional.

It is good advice, dressing preppy has helped me out a lot.

Fuck that. Idk why you guys are on here if you guys don't take Chris' advice. Ever since I started dressing more edgy and increasing my sex appeal, I started fucking more girls and getting more female attention, even from white girls.

I'm Latino, dark skinned, and this year I have fucked at least 4 white girls and gone out with other white girls.

My first girlfriend was white; she's Ukrainian. So I come on this thread and see all you guys complaining about white girls and I don't get it. I live in LA so it might be different elsewhere, but I always get attention from white girls and girls from every race wherever I go.

Sure there are racist people and not everyone will like you or not everyone will like brown people, but there are a lot of white girls who are into brown men.

The way I see it, if you look good, women from all races will love you. Y'all just gotta get rid of that limiting belief that white girls don't like brown men.

If a white girl doesn't like you, it's not because she's racist, it's most likely because you're not sexy.

I've found that Euro/Eastern Euro/Slavic women hardly care that much about race. What OP was likely talking about was getting the good ol All American type of white girls as opposed to Russian or Eastern Euro ones.

Although my first gf was Ukrainian, she was raised here so she's considered American. Besides, I've had my fair share of American white girls.

Wow! Must be hard out there in America for my fellow Asians. Here in London (East, North and South) it's the complete opposite it seems. A lot of the girls despise white guys, even the white girls!? Black guys, especially the light skin ones, clean up! But Asians seem to do well as well. This is more apparent amongst the younger lot, 22yo and younger. (check out 'snapchat slide ins' videos on YouTube just to get a general idea)

I think ultimately it boils down to value, like some have mentioned, and the value of a white guy (unless he looks like a male model) is pretty low.

Obviously, black or Asian, you still have to look good and have "swag", if you have the bad boy swag and look above average, you'll be drowning in pussy.

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Deltsbrah wrote:

GLL_GrimeKid wrote:
I think ultimately it boils down to value, like some have mentioned, and the value of a white guy (unless he looks like a male model) is pretty low..

Depends on location and you are just talking about where you come from you have no clue about the bigger picture.

The value of a white guy in Asia for example is astronomically high. It's quite the sight to behold actually if you have never travelled. Even if a white guy is a skinny nerdy weakling with no money (basically all these backpackera and hippies we get) girls will be all over him.

Also in most western countries a tremendous percentage of girls will not even consider dating a non-white guy. It doesnt even cross their minds as a viable proposition. Its outside their reality.

I'm not a lefists SJW thinking white males are swimming in "privilege" but dating is where Whites have an overwhelming advantage all over the world.

I said that in relation to the areas I mentioned in my first paragraph. I thought that was clear. If not, that's what I meant.

I have travelled quite a bit. When you open your mouth in Vietnam, Thailand, Colombia, Brazil, Bangladesh, Philippines... Etc and speak with a nice thick British accent, you get girls mate. The British accent seems to go down a treat in the US (NY is the only place I've been) as well. And I'm an Asian, albeit I was in pretty average shape when I travelled to those places back then. Not the fat mess I'm now. Ultimately, imo I believe getting girls from those sorts of countries (minus US) once they realise you're from a wealthy Western country, is not that difficult, even if you're not white. Being white obviously make it immediately obvious that you're from a wealthy Western country when you walk down the road in Bangkok though, so that's where the advantage lies.

When it comes to White girls only dating white guys, fair enough, that's understandable. Similar can be said about let's say Bengali girls will never consider dating a white or a black guy, or most black girls from South or East London will never consider dating a white guy. Al understandable given locality values. These views are only based on what I've seen in UK though, probably different in the US.