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Sandshark wrote: I'm from Louisiana originally, and lived there 20 of my 25 years.
In all that time, I never saw 1 black guy with a hot white girl. Occasionally with an average, fat, or white trash white girl, but never a hot white girl.
Here in Phoenix I see it fairly often, although obviously they still usually go for white guys.
How often do hot white girls in Phoenix and Arizona go for other minority groups like Hispanics, Asians, and Indians/Brown guys?
I've heard entirely mixed things about the place. On one hand they say that anyone who looks "brown" (Mexican, Indian, or Persian) is automatically dinged as low SMV and most hot white girls want nothing to do with them. On the other hand I've heard that a brown dude with his shit together can do quite well with white girls in Arizona. Never been out there so I decided to ask you about it.
It goes back to the point OP made too, you could have instances where hot white girls in a given area think highly of one race (black guys for instance) but absolutely loathe all other minority groups. I think that does seem to be the trend in a lot of areas of the USA these days where white girls assume minority AND foreign looking = ugly and disgusting while black guys = the cool minorities. If such is the case in a state like California I wonder how much of that has spilled over on to other western states like Arizona and Colorado.
I see what you're getting at Sandshark which is what makes the whole thing so rough for Asian and Indian men. The affirmation you get when you see a guy of your race pull hot white girls in a given area is relieving because it lets you know that the culture in that area does allow hot white girls to date men of your race and hook up with them. With Asian and Indian men, the stigma exists in the eyes of white girls but there are countless low value guys of those races representing in the USA that it makes shit rough for even the cool guys of those races in a given area. It's a total mindfuck to where you are wondering if it is even worth it to push yourself that far when women in the given area are always going to hold horrible views of men of your own race.
It is what the OP was getting at when he said that he sees Asian and Indian men get hot white girls in Florida (I've known some that have).
I asked about Hispanic guys as almost a litmus test.
For one, there are a lot of latinos in the USA, their population size is the same as blacks.
Second, I notice that Latino guys have some insane swagger and some positive stereotypes rolling in their direction.
Now if seeing hot white girls in Arizona with latinos (and I mean the ones that don't look completely white) is rare, I am guessing that there is likely a lot of inner prejudice among girls in that state towards any guy that looks foreign/brown. White Hispanic guys are just white guys to me, nothing about Fernando Torres says "minority" to any girls that look at him.
The problem with a lot of west coast states like Arizona and Colorado is that there is a strong pour over of Californians and California culture, that is nothing but bad news for guys who look ethnically foreign (Hispanics, Indians, Asians, etc.). When it comes to the dating scene, Californians hold a lot of prejudice towards "foreigners" putting their hands on white women. The entire state has a brutal history against the Chinese, Mexicans, Indians, and has always considered them as "not one of us". They are to be kept separate and far away from our women and that is the law. Read about it, California has a very dark history towards minority groups such as the Chinese, Mexicans, and others.
Your typical California girl being raised in such an environment will find blacks to be more acceptable than men of other minority groups, which is why black guys with hot white girls is way more common than Hispanic guy hot white girl couples there. When these girls move to other states like Arizona and Colorado, they take their strong prejudice and make it the norm in that state.
I have a lot of love for the west coast a latino myself but unfortunately, the white women there are extremely prejudiced towards anyone that looks brownish or Asian, regardless of how cool they are. A lot of that prejudice has been passed on to them by their bigoted parents who grew up hating foreigners.
TBH, I cannot think of a better place in the country for guys of more foreign minority groups than places like Florida, Carolinas, Nashville, and some of the upper midwest states where they can play the exotic card to great effect. The west coast might try to give off the whole but we promise we're not racist message but it isn't true.
I think the amount of work a latino, brown, or Asian dude would have to put in to get hot white girls in a state like Arizona, California, or Colorado is so insane compared to a black or white guy that he would be better off avoiding those states.
Perception is reality, we can say a million different things as to why it doesn't happen but if hot white girls with Latinos is rare in Arizona then there is definitely some underlying racism at play. I've been around Hispanic guys a lot, their game is off the maps compared to guys of other races. Kinda sad too since Tempe does have a lot of attractive women but guess sometimes you just have to get over it and pick another location. We can come up with a lot of different reasons but being from a more foreign ethnic background in Arizona is likely a handicap which will take a lot to overcome.
California is more or less the same as Arizona, black guys and white guys can do well but guys of other races will struggle a lot with attractive girls, especially if those girls are white but also from hot girls of their own races. The self-hating Asian American girl who hates Asian men are very common in California, same for the latinas and brown women there. I think that outside of some top notch status and money, it is practically impossible for any guy that isn't white or black to do well in California. Again, top notch status and top tier cash will make up for race anywhere but it must suck to know that you had earn a million dollars more than the black or white guy to do well with the same kind of girls.
I can say from having seen it with my own two eyes, an Asian or Brown dude with his shit together can absolutely get top notch girls in Florida from hot blondes to fineass latinas. Chris even told us the story of this Asian Pike he knew at UF who married a hot blonde, granted fraternity status helps but still. A good looking (keyword) Asian dude in Florida is a catch for sure, he is exotic and the same "Asian men are lame" stigma doesn't exist there like it does in California.
Sandshark: I liked your comment and felt that I might have been too harsh with my reply.
Your comment about Arizona did shed some light on the issue which is important. I thought that the ethnic guys in Arizona were actually trying. For some reason I also suspected that Hispanic guy with white girl was a very common in the state, looks like I was wrong.
Now that said, I am going to play devil's advocate on the racism and preferences thing. Most hot white girls who reject certain minority groups don't always do so because of a lack of attraction, they do it because there is some racism at play whether it is on their end or from their friends/family/social circles. She doesn't automatically she a tall and handsome guy from a certain minority group and get turned off by his physical features, she gets turned off of the stereotypes that surround his race/ethnic background. Now with us guys, we're visual as hell, women aren't like that at all.
That is why I push this importance of location because racism in a given location towards certain ethnic groups plays a huge role in how well those guys can do with hot white girls which eventually leads to them doing better with hot and cool girls of ALL races.
Take California for instance, whites there are extremely racist towards Asian and Indian males, even looking down on those races, which is why I would never tell an Asian or Indian guy to game hot blondes in California because they have discounted him for his ethnic background before he has even said a word. This leads to even Asian women in the state rejecting men of their own race.
In Florida, this is much less of an issue which is why a cool Asian or Indian dude can absolutely clean up with the hot girls there.
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