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To take the point one step further. If you have a typical face of a sweet guy and no crazy jacked body , this is probably the best way to go about it in general. Keep in mind all of human civilization is "mastering" ways of securing the hottest girls they can. It's not just guys who study pus or guys who know about "game" and self-improvement. All guys since puberty have been devising methods of securing the hottest sex they can get. So we would be wise to learn from the average joe.
I think this thread is important because of the rash of depressed guys posting lately.
I think this post is misguided seeing as you yourself have no idea what it takes to consistently tag hot girls as evidenced by your clusterfuck of posting over the past couple years, and you are essentially telling guys who can't get hot girls to start dressing like mommas boys and to not worry about their looks and to be doormats for women.
Even if you are a "player" there is no reason why you can't be a good boyfriend. Very rarely do you get a guy who is a pure "Scotty" type who is pretty much what you are generalizing players as. I myself started this pussyless at age 20, and approached hard and pushed my threshold for looks and other aspects and secured a rotation of 3 hot fb's in about 3 months starting from ground zero, after 7 months of retention on one of them who was fully aware I was a "player" type and was still seeing other girls, I decided to go exclusive with her and I dropped the approach game for over a year, and she was my girlfriend. This girl went from a fuckbuddy that I got via being a player to my full blown girlfriend (oh and looky here at my avi "crazy jacked body" actually gets girls? go figure).
In addition, those guys that are blatantly below their girlfriends looks wise who got them via means other than being a player, usually have little to no sexual experience (except with their girlfriend) and become EXTREMELY attached to them. It is extreme because THEY DON"T BELIEVE THEY CAN GET LAID. They aren't "players" so they think their girlfriend is the end all be all and they will never score again if they lose her. This is so mentally unhealthy, I don't think anybody should ever even get into a relationship before getting over the hump of knowing you can go get laid if shit went south. The kind of guys who get suicidical and mentally unstable over women are guys exaclty like the ones you describe, "average joes" who don't believe in themselves. Becoming a player in my opinion, not only opens a lot of doors for getting pussy obviously, but you aren't truly a man until you believe in yourself and know that the girl you're locked down with won't doom your existence if she left you.
But by all means bro, get shittyer style and get a combover and go to church and you'll definitely lock in a 10.
I don't know how your face looks dc7 but there are guys out there that will look extremely incongruent acting and dressing like a player no matter how hard they work to improve.
I have been on probably 100 dates. And a continual theme of "why the girl" rejects me was that I'm too cocky, too playerish, too douchey... I don't know how the girls you're dating look like either. I just posted two 8+ girls.
My own success or lack of is not essential for me to give advice. Phil Jackson wasn't an all world hooper and Simon cowell wasn't a singer. Odd personal attack.
Most if the guys who can relate to you are not the ones failing to have success. It is the ones who relate to me. Therefore my threads serve as an idea of what not to do.
Also dressing like a boyfriend is not inherently "shitty". It's generally just more preppy/more rich. Like "suit game" for example. Some people would call diamond earrings a shitty accessory. I tend to not make value judgements on entirely subjective content.
As far as becoming attached to one girl. I didn't say thy you needed to be in exclusive relationships. I simply said "boyfriend" game. Meaning acting like a perfect boyfriend to. Variety of girls
You are definitely generalizing the term "player". Plenty of us on here are players and are cocky and confident but still act respectfully and don't come across as huge douches. Perhaps that is an aspect you have failed to grasp over your experiences. There isn't one prototype person that you have to act like to sleep with tonns of women. We all do similar shit, but have our own personalities still. I don't act anyway I wouldn't act normally, and the other true players don't either, their confidence is sky high, but they still retain individuality. You have obviously done a lot of studying and maybe have spent too much time trying to 100% emulate somebody you aren't and girls sense it.
"Boyfriend game with a variety of girls" is still being a player fyi.
It's very easy to differentiate boyfriend vs player. And that is sexual screening. Boyfriend material guys play it slow and players touch early and often.
What I'm suggesting here is that we need to act toward women according to how we look.
Look at my face. Do i look like a dominant alpha male who has pure raw sex appeal that girls will want to fuck on first sight? No. That's why I have to offer her value in another way. (My emotional intelligence or humor/ willingness to move slowly). These are examples of offering a girl value(something she wants).
This thread is relevant because in the look good section there are guys posting about getting plastic surgery. Because they're trying to offer value to women as sexual beings. When there are other ways of doing that
Mental madturbatjon? I'm posting from my cell phone at a bar actually. I'm going to talk to girls right after this.
Some guys will never be good looking. Some guys can look good but can never look masculine. Some guys can look masculine but never good.
My point of this thread was that I have had a lack of success due to a cookie cutter approach. I go out with many guys who all are low body fat and constantly screen girls and all have similar lack of success as me.
Maybe something like. Live in a 10 million people + city. Look good and masculine and screen and have success. But if you fail to meet that criteria (the majority of the guys here who lack success). Then we need a new game plan.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. OP is a troll. I'm all for ignorant people honestly looking to have their questions answered, but this guy is clearly just a troll. He's been banned once before.
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I'm not sure what a troll means in this context but if you can address any points in making that would be great.
Even if I were a troll but making good points it shouldn't matter much.
The nature of my objective should matter less than the content matter.
Ethan X wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. OP is a troll. I'm all for ignorant people honestly looking to have their questions answered, but this guy is clearly just a troll. He's been banned once before.
I don't think OP is a troll. I just think this dude is just so insecure about his looks (and probably a bunch of other shit) that any girl he talks to inevitably senses this and gets turned off right away. This kid looks like a cross between Christian Bale and Justin Beiber for fuck's sake. He's definitely above average looks wise. He'll never get laid because of his lack of confidence and overall vibe he gives off. It has nothing to do with his appearance. I'm short and far from masculine looking, but that doesn't stop me from fucking at least cute girls.
By the way, the guys who have girlfriends who are "out of their league" or whatever you wanna call it didn't meet them randomly at a bar or wherever the fuck, or find them on Tinder or any other dating app for that mater. They met them through their circle of friends and took months (or at least several weeks) before they fucked them. Chances are, they were dating each other exclusively BEFORE he ever fucked the girl. If that's how you wanna live your life, go ahead. But some of us aren't so patient or satisfied by mediocrity.
I don't have any experience with 'boyfriend game' and honestly I can't see myself trying that type of slow progress any time soon so I don't have much to comment in relation to that. Regardless of style if you're honestly looking for new approaches to get better success I wouldn't remove early touching, if you want to be casual with it that's fine but regardless of your game style you still have to generate attraction and touching is really powerful for that.
If you can't touch without feeling 'douchey' or 'aggressive/player' work on it until you can, maybe you can work it into your boyfriend game strategy.
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