TOPIC: 80 approaches crappy field results sheet

OK so I've decided as a prototype for a more long-term type of cold-approach logging I thought I would upload the results of a non-existent field results sheet. If I make a blog or proper GLL forum thread detailing my 1 notch to 20 notches journey (when it properly begins) something like this might be uploaded every week if for no other reason as to keep myself accountable.

As you can see it is incredibly shitty and mostly the result of hours of trial and error on a Monday afternoon (my day off / reflection day). The offline section is the 80 cold approaches during April/May (period between offshore job trips) and online refers obviously to online dating (I don't bother posting rejection details). I actually made approximately 120 approaches during this period but the night-time approaches - many of which I didn't document the next day as well as sections of my field notes which turned out to be illegible - are not included. Many lessons were learned needles to say! The aim is clearly to reach the 'FB' (fuckbuddy) column.

So it was largely disappointing as I only got one kiss (which lasted 0.5 seconds) at a nightclub and ridiculously low 'number/facebook' success rates. So far I have 2 girls on facebook who see me as boyfriend material whom I was chatting to long term. I also was too lazy to make a statistical link between type of opener used (Nervous guy game, Do you speak English?, basic guy game etc.). I did document the rejections however based on my modified version of Chris's rejection ranking system (I added 5 - rude rejection, 6- nuclear rejection and 7 - subsequent cock-block attempt). Luckily there were no 6s or 7s. It led me to believe that although I got fuck all results I realised I didn't really have to worry about terrible things happening to me 99.5% of the time in what is considered a very conservative country.

I gave myself a thorough score based on various factors based on Chris's fundamentals (with Mike Cernovich's and Victor Pride's whom I also follow) with my own (retarded) statistical ideas i.e. 'weighting' of factors such as teeth/clothes etc. It is pretty dumb and maybe it looks like I am selling myself short (or the opposite) but at least it gives some scope as to how the shitty results during my 80_ approaches are so dismal.

I know this is an incredibly messy, over-analysed and difficult to analyze analysis but it is something I felt like producing just to give you an idea of how I keep track of my progress which as I said before will be a prototype of the much higher quality and easier to use versions I will use in the future (the Year of the Golden Eagle where I take a year or 2 off work to completely tackle this goal of getting 20+ bangs).

This is what I typically looked like during approaches:

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By night (not detailed in log but almost 100% rejection)

Bear in mind these were definitely my most flattering looks.

Statistically it Seems you get less intial Rejection When your using indirect approacheses. You might want to stick with that. Direct approaches generally work better for guys who have Decent looks. That not meant to offend you either but your kinda of below average in the looks deparment, above average style wise though. Post how you convos go, so you can get some feed back on what to improve during them.

Bro, if i have one advice for this whole thing, its to stop it now. You are over analyzing things to the extreme. When you get rejected, the first thing you should do is forget it right away and go to the next girl, not creating a whole data sheet about them. This whole thing will bring your mood down in no time. I know it would if I was to do the same thing and no offense, my numbers are way better. I know I am a bit of an ass but i am legitimately trying to help you. This data sheet is useless and definitely a bad idea for your results.

Over analyzing is the worst thing you can do when it comes to girls. Seriously man the only thing you have to do is to looks max. Build some muscles and hit the numbers while developing your style.

I highly advise you to get some insoles to appear taller, get a tan, continue to build muscle, and find a better haircut according to what is possible to do with your hair, which isn't much. Ask a hair stylist. Consider tattoos.

Scientists dont get girls. Low inhibition douches do. Data sheet in the trash can.

axis-v wrote: Bro, if i have one advice for this whole thing, its to stop it now. You are over analyzing things to the extreme. When you get rejected, the first thing you should do is forget it right away and go to the next girl, not creating a whole data sheet about them. This whole thing will bring your mood down in no time. I know it would if I was to do the same thing and no offense, my numbers are way better. I know I am a bit of an ass but i am legitimately trying to help you. This data sheet is useless and definitely a bad idea for your results.

Over analyzing is the worst thing you can do when it comes to girls. Seriously man the only thing you have to do is to looks max. Build some muscles and hit the numbers while developing your style.

I highly advise you to get some insoles to appear taller, get a tan, continue to build muscle, and find a better haircut according to what is possible to do with your hair, which isn't much. Ask a hair stylist. Consider tattoos.

Scientists dont get girls. Low inhibition douches do. Data sheet in the trash can.

This. Also, drop the beanie.

axis-v wrote: Bro, if i have one advice for this whole thing, its to stop it now. You are over analyzing things to the extreme. When you get rejected, the first thing you should do is forget it right away and go to the next girl, not creating a whole data sheet about them. This whole thing will bring your mood down in no time. I know it would if I was to do the same thing and no offense, my numbers are way better. I know I am a bit of an ass but i am legitimately trying to help you. This data sheet is useless and definitely a bad idea for your results.

Over analyzing is the worst thing you can do when it comes to girls. Seriously man the only thing you have to do is to looks max. Build some muscles and hit the numbers while developing your style.

I highly advise you to get some insoles to appear taller, get a tan, continue to build muscle, and find a better haircut according to what is possible to do with your hair, which isn't much. Ask a hair stylist. Consider tattoos.

Scientists dont get girls. Low inhibition douches do. Data sheet in the trash can.

I totally [politely] agree with Axis.

I've gone 80+ with getting laid btw (and after i'd been doing it for a couple of years)

The reason that 'stats' aren't great (admittedly I made that 'what your odds are' post), are because you can't tell sexual availably. The stats are a reflection of the girls, as much as it is you.
www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/get-laid/...ame-what-are-my-odds

and still - the sample size (80) is still a little low.

btw2- post more pictures, you have some elements/attire that that works. I don't know about the beanie. I'm literally not sure. I think you would tremendously benefit from a tan. real or fake, doesn't matter.

Hit the gym your body looks soft, for the most part girls like a rock hard sculpted body.

@ Joshie
Thank you for your reply. I am aware that I am genetically below average looking (I say this without self-pity) and actually it annoys me when people try to tell me my looks aren’t my bottleneck because I know they are lying. I decided to give this all a bash because I believe what GLL said about being able to look good even if you aren’t good looking. I'll post feedback of how the conversations go for sure.

@ axis-v

Hi Axis – don’t worry about being as ass – I appreciate you taking the time to try to help me. I have logged my approaches on a sheet of paper in my pocket more to motivate myself if anything and I don’t tend to remember the girls unless I pussy out and don’t approach her. I wanted to use it in tandem with working on my looks and fundamentals to see if I am actually improving on those areas.

I wear boots with 3 inch insoles making me 5.7.5 to 5’10 and I feel much better for it though my knees hurt from all the walking. Maybe 4-5 inches would be better?

Hair is a disaster at this stage - the only option I have other than hair transplants (which i can't afford) is wigs which cost like £140 a month and is a path I don't really know if I can stomach

Tattoos I considered for the last 2 years but they repulse me although I do recognise that when you look like me it takes extreme measures in order to get noticed.

@GLL

Yeah I remember reading that post in detail a while ago and honestly, what inspired me to go out and do this finally was that managing to sleep with 1 in 100 girls who are equal to me in looks by taking phone numbers seemed worth the effort. The majority of girls I approached (actually didn’t bother to post the other columns on the log which shows this) were 6s to 7s who I were attracted to and were around my ‘level’ (in my head).

So it looks like the problem is looks. When I came here at the end of 2013 I made looks and styles my no. 1 priority and worked like a dog for a few months trying to maximise looks. My style log is populated with trial and error with feedback from several strong members of this forum though the replies and help stagnated eventually. People had very different and conflicting ideas about what constituted decent style for me and it was incredibly frustrating though I appreciated the feedback. The overall consensus seemed to be that I had reached the ‘above average’ level and that focusing any more would yield diminishing returns and that approaching girls and hitting numbers was the most productive thing I could do. Here is the style log.

www.goodlookingloser.com/forums/look-goo...elopment-progression

I do worry about looks holding me back. I am probably a ‘6’ at best which is leagues better than the ‘4’ I was a couple of years ago – but clearly not enough. I imagine also that my social skills, mindset, confidence and social freedom/killer instinct are barely average and any or all of those could be holding me back and causing me to get a majority of impolite rejections. But ultimately looks is the most important for this cold approach and obviously I need to be sure that they meet the looks threshold. But I don’t feel great about wasting a huge amount of time if I have not got the looks or am incapable of getting them.

Tanning I could do. Here is a pic of me trying fake tan a year ago which looked good except for almost everyone pointing out to me that it was fake (with a stupid stripe on my nose). I am toying with the idea of trying melanotan-2 although the legality and safety of it are stopping me. I can’t get a tan naturally. I need to be as clear as possible about what elements/attire work and what don’t .

@Chriszilla

This was me last year and now.

I deadlifted almost 550lbs a couple of years ago but since working offshore over the last 2 years I’ve lost a tremendous amount of muscle mass sadly.

Hey man, good advice here from axis and gll. Check your pm bro,

Looks much better with a shaved head. Also, can't you get anything in Poland without a problem (MT2)?

80 is nothing yet. When I was just starting, I had 200+ approaches and no make outs and NO LAYS. I was frustrated, but kept going. After 300+ approaches I got a gf and now my conversion rate has improved dramatically. Just. Keep...GOING

douchebag$ wrote: Looks much better with a shaved head. Also, can't you get anything in Poland without a problem (MT2)?

MT2 is fucking gold... i cant even explain how much better i look tanned than when i was pale like shit. Soo many people complimented on the tan i got.

GODOFROIDZ wrote:

douchebag$ wrote: Looks much better with a shaved head. Also, can't you get anything in Poland without a problem (MT2)?

MT2 is fucking gold... i cant even explain how much better i look tanned than when i was pale like shit. Soo many people complimented on the tan i got.

Yeah dude, and one vial lasts like 3-4 months! Not to mention the permanent tan haha. I can go 6 months without MT2 and I still have tan lines.