TOPIC: Your Opinion on Buying Drinks for Women

Exactly....

Even the founders of this SITE got all the qualities I've been talking about

Just look at them.

And what's funny is at first glance you would think Chris and Scotty were just a couple of juiced up scumbags.....but are actually more successful/happy with their lives than the clean cut "professionals" you see commuting to and from work each day.

EXACTLY

What --- says has a lot of truth... at least in my reality...

The guys that I know that lay the most bitches (my friends + their friends)

-- work part time/ 2 jobs in high volume environments (bars/restaurants/clubs)
-- aren't that rich at all
-- tall/buff/ look manly: beards
-- have social circles in bars/ clubs

I've meet a student in law that told me he has literally no time to do anything especially hit on bitches.
When I worked 2 jobs, I was so tired that I had no desire to even talk to hoes
Hitting on girls takes time...

I am going to attempt to add a bit of Sanity to this thread

1) Paying for drinks isn't inherently wrong...based on my experience (well documented since finding this site see: Lay Reports in my sig)...buying a drink doesn't make you a weaker or stronger person...being a weak or strong person occurs way before the date starts...you don't WIN by not paying and if it bothers you THAT much its pretty weak IMO...I pay for girls and guys all the time...I also open doors for people and give up my seat on the subway for elders...Yet every other week for the past 3 years a new woman has fucked me (lays averaged out)... if she likes you it looks a bit better on you if you pay...If you don't pay, the times when the girl is on the fence about you (fuckable but is he a GOOD (not nice) guy) it can potentially fuck you over...if you don't wanna pay because you are just cheap...your cheapness can cost you lay every now and again...if you don't wanna spend money because you don't have it just get bubble tea or something.. you have to do what is in your best interest...You guys gotta start thinking like winners...this is about SLEEPING with the girl not spending an extra $10-30 dollars...This is almost crazy to me...the bill is my last worry...all I think about during the entire date is "How are we going to fuck"...that's like Kobe wondering how much money he has to pay his agent DURING the game...he's too busy thinking about how he's gonna win the ACTUAL game...you guys give too much attention to miscellaneous expenses instead of the actual game... if you feel that it is morally wrong to pay because women are out to get you and make you a cuckold then don't pay...speaking of...

2) Not every chic that goes on a date with you is trying to use you for drinks...as a matter of fact I estimate that close to 95% aren't...The crazy thing with chics...especially cool ones that can afford their own drinks (i.e. most girls) is that they don't want you to pay because they'll feel as though they'll owe you something (which could end up being pussy)...on most of my dates the girl WANTS to pay at least half if not more...so I always get the first round...then we go somewhere else or stay there and get something that is more expensive and she refuses to let me pay...if I am strapped for cash or I want to stay at a certain budget...I go to a place that I know so I will spend no more than I want to..sometimes a girl will want to use you for a free date/drink but that is so rare...clubs on the other hand try to avoid buying girls drinks...but if you are fingerbanging in the club (See Feb 20 2015 LR) are you gonna say "I gotta be masculine...I can't be weak and pay for a drink" meanwhile guys like me who get laid are like "I'll pay for the drink...the cab to her house...and the morning after pill if we have any accidents...sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit" (Clay Davis voice...check out The Wire best show ever made)...and about the whole hardcore thing...

3) This hardcore masculinity thing is going waaaaay to far lol...I agree with most of what Sam says but sometimes Sam you are too HARDCORE..its ok to smile...to laugh...to love and show compassion...you can do all these things while being prepared to defend yourself or others physical or otherwise...if you must..and STILL get loads of pussy
I agree with Sam in the sense that getting laid primarily and fundamentally comes down to whether or not a girl is sexually/physically attracted to you...but being super-hyper-over-the-top masculine isn't a one size fits all solution...Some girls want that and a lot of girls want a sexy-ass charming guy that they can fuck....he might stick around...but if that guy is me he probably wont... I read a thread about guys talking about no longer smiling...I LITERALLY burst into uncontrollable laughter...I almost knocked my laptop to the ground...guys chill...I follow Lazar Angelov on Instagram...Sam uses him as his primary example...but Sam my man he's in a relationship...he's all sad because he's injured right now...he smiles regularly and post funny/joking/silly shit ALL the time...he would never survive in a prison and he isn't scary AT ALL just saying lol...you don't have to try to be scary or intimidating...if you are tall and lift weights and have a good amount of size to you, smiling is a good thing...and Sam I'm not bashing you I just want you to come back to the middle slightly...another example you use is Scotty...he smiles like a mother fucker...we went to the club and he smiled way fucking more than I did...Sam you are right though...PUA tactics/routines/ideology/community is complete garbage...the ridiculous notion that you can use tricks or verbal mastery to bridge a gap created by a lack of sexual attraction is bullshit but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have a warm cool attractive personality that people can gravitate to

Basically Id rather be Mohammed Ali than Mike Tyson personality wise...charming...witty..playful...and just so happened to be strong/badass enough to defeat 2 men who are widely considered 2 of the top 5 boxers to ever fight...Also Tyson admitted early in his career that he would loose in a fight to Ali...whether this is true or not...another one of your primary examples of masculinity admitted that a man ostensibly "softer" than him was a stronger combatant...I agree with most of what you say Sam because I think you are right but you take it a bit too far broski

--- wrote:
Why?
Because right now you are a cluless person who comes to this forum, call yourself "the.nice.guy", and write TOXIC sentences like

"Bearing in mind old WEIRDO community theory and advancements made by my fellow NERDS"

---

Sam,

It is almost as if you are preaching to the choir. I bear no bitterness towards buff alpha males who get most of the girls. Furthermore, I do not deny that I can improve my sex appeal.

My name: The Nice Guy, refers to my past life. I wouldn't consider myself a stereotypical nice guy anymore, just like Chris probably wouldn't consider himself a loser in the truest sense. We are dealing with a play on words here. But, I am quite nice to males (unless they are idiots) because I want to do so. It basically comes down to treating people like you would want to be treated and having respect for other people who are all in the struggle just like you and me.

@ Hollow,

You are right, mate! I wouldn't mind buying girls drinks, but, I have such little cash that I can barely afford to buy edgy clothes that are durable! I don't even have a suitable apartment to sex up the ladies! Thus, my main spots for closing the deal are in bathrooms, my truck, or her place.

Yet, I will try to change my current economic situation this summer through two possible job opportunities which I have in mind.

The old "never buy a woman a drink" line has been one of those sayings that is growing in strength but no one seems to get what the origins really are. It is a compensating attitude for all the beta boys who were buying every pretty girl a drink, thinking it would get them laid. Meanwhile, women were getting drunk on schlubs' dimes, then going back to the guys they want to fuck. These lesser guys were paying for drinks for women they'd barely met.

If she walks up, and the first thing she does is ask you to buy her a drink, I'd advise against it for most guys. She's not had much of a chance to get into you, and there's a high probability that she's just using you for a free drink. Then she'll giggle and leave you standing there.

If you've got good rapport going, you're flush, and things are escalating, buy that drink, son! At this point, you should have already screened her, so you know she's got a certain level of interest in you. That means she's invested, and it's OK for you to invest a little, too.

Above all, you've got to evaluate the situation: it can't be always one, or always the other.