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Leopard wrote: This forum is contaminated by pua bullshit thinking.
Pickup isn't bullshit though. It works. I think you just had a bad experience with it.
Yes it is(most of it), most gurus are internet marketers that Don't get laid a lot/bang 9s and 10s On the reg Like they claim. There are some legit concepts like neggin, push/pull and a few others but the girl has to have some sorta attraction to you.
Its a stupid fuckin fallacy that you can turn a girl who has no sexual interest you whatsoever to wanting to wanting to fuck your brains out with a bunch of "game" tactics routines as "the great equalizer."
Maybe girls can definitely be converted, but it's rare, no girls are almost always a no go Because they are unavailable/not attracted.
I experienced all this first hand during my time doing the pua nonsense.
I used to go out for months on my own trying to talk to women. I couldn't figure it out. This was before I even knew about the pickup community. I intentionally went out for hours every day to try to get better, but nothing worked. Then one day I found Mystery's book "The Mystery Method" It laid out exactly what to say, how to stand, when to touch her, etc. I just did everything it said and it worked immediately. I still looked the same. I was still as motivated. I still approached the same amount of women. The only difference was that I was following the method he laid out. I practiced and got better and better. Whenever I came to a snag, I looked in the book for an answer, then did what it said and it worked. I had a great experience learning pickup.
I think what a lot of guys forget that a lot of this is mindset/beliefs, confidence, how you carry yourself. All that unspoken shit. When I look at Mystery or Styles I feel they did the things they said they did. Look at your ordinary guy who doesn't get laid and they think they can say some lines and get laid. Then all you think is weird.
goodlooking loser focus on the basics, style, physique, swag, confidence. I like that.
I saw a very young black male with a lot of swag just sitting minding his own business and was amazed at how many chicks were checking him out the other day. Young girls and as well cougars. Such a strong frame not uncommon at all amongst black males. Good game isn't always what to say. Btu instead what you don't say.
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I didn't think that your exercise and diet advice would have girls checking me out. It did.
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