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I am new here but been a lurker. I am not necessarily good-looking, nor am I a loser (at least I think so, an average guy).
What I am about to discuss is mostly to help young guys realize they already are hitting their prime and that there shouldnt be any time to waste. Also not to waste their sexual prime. And to, hell, not miss out on young love because the likelyhood its never going to be as pure as it was during those years. And its one of the most beautiful experiences you can have as a human being.
Anyway there is an idea that seems to be propagating like a virus that a woman's perceived sexual value goeso down after early 20s while men's gets higher as they age, even well into their 30s.
Its a biological fact that after early 20s, after 25 or so things slowly, but surely do start to go south for both genders. Its only that we think of men as providers so older man with money=good provider who can get himself a youn mate. This may have been true in ancient tims when 30 yo's who survived clearly had good genes to pass on. But today its different, a crackhead can survive until 30 so its not a big deal. Its a fact our physical abilities and looks certainly go south after age 25.
I tend to disagree with the fact that instrinsically male value goes up as they age. I am of firm belief if someone cant get laid at 18 he wont be able to at 25, unless there is a major, major shift in his consciousness. Even then its going to be way harder than when he was 18.
When all of you are in say high school it doesnt take tons of money or an expensive car to attract girls. All it takes is average looks, a sense of style, confidence and ability to hold a conversation. All that other bs tends to arise later in life as people start to get increasingly more complicated.
I will take myself as an example. I am not very hot or anything, but I am 6'5 and have started lifting weights at 15. All throughout the ages of 16-19 (it actually started at 14 but i wasnt aware at that time) girls would be throwing themselves at me. Not just me, majority of my buddies had that happen too, girl here and there would flirt with them. Now at 23 I could only dream of that situation, just like majority of my pals. Also the fact that it feels kinda weird creepy to flirt at this age as both us and women who would be interested in us are all adults and have their own lives etc.
Carelessness and innocence of youth is gone.
An average 30 yo can only dream about a hot, well-developed 16 yo throwing herself at him, while an average 16-19 yo goes through that, I experienced it more than twice. And beside the fact that it is illegal, is there any straight 30 yo who would decline a hot 16-18 yo? Put legal stuff aside...would you decline? Be honest.
Just by that we can see that already an average 18 yo has higher value than an average 30 yo when it comes to young girls (ok lets exclude those under 18 for legal reasons). There was this hot 17 yo i met at the beach chilling with my friends back when i was 18. All it took was few glances and then a smile and things can develop from there. Imagine doing that in your mid-late 20s or, gasp, 30s. Creeeepy.
I cant think of a single reason why a 18 yo woman would chose a 30 yo man over an 18 yo man, gold-digging aside? Most girls back then frowned at the idea of dating a 26 yo who was a teaching assistant in our school back then (i was asking out of fun but wanted to see how they resonate about the subject back then because i already had my theories).
Anyway thats my rant. The biggest point is to remind young guys, age 16-19 who think that the reason they cant get girls is because they are too young.
If you are 16, 17, 18, 19...You are not too young! You are already in your prime! Are you waking up with a 3rd leg in the morning? For Christ's sake nature is telling you something! 5-10 years down the line this may no longer be reality. Know it will start to go downhill.
You should lose your virginity and get your practice as soon as possible, imho. At 16 i was already a man and knew my precautions. Also, if your dad didnt talk to you the "dad talk", to hell with it! We are in the age of internet. My grandad didnt have a dad yet he was smashing since age 15. There are no excuses. Its your life and you have to take responsibility.
The reason why you cant get girls are the other factors I discussed above. Work on your manners, hygiene, style, body, conversational skills. If you dont do that now it only gets worse as you age and you will be just another fellow with regrets.
Oh and also, your penis will never work as well as it does now. Take advantage of that!
Leave the myth of rising value to us older chaps who either didnt do enough or missed out and who just use it for reassurance. But only by facing the facts can we face the truth.
I am not here to start fights, but simply to offer a perspective. Feel free to insert your opinions but keep in mind we older chaps are here to help younger bucks.
Yes young men should still go for it. I don't think anyone suggested otherwise. But, no way is an 18 y/o on top of the sexual hierarchy compared to a 30 y/o who has his shit together. Women almost universally desire to date their same age or older. The young guy won't stand much chance with a woman who's 25 or 30. Also, I'd say your bias is cultural. In SE Asia and Latin America it's quite acceptable for a 10+ year age difference.
What will the 18 y/o offer, a date at McDonalds? To hang out at his trashed crib with his 3 housemates? Have deep conversations about Fortnite? Sure that probably appeals to girls who didn't know the world existed before TikTok.
The 30 y/o can go on real dates. Bring her back to his condo in the city. Talk about the European vacation he just returned from. Who says the 30y/o guy wants to date an 18 y/o girl? Have you talked to those teens? They're dumb as fuck and make you want to stab your own ears with a steak knife so you don't have to listen to their babbling.
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I mean if you really want to get technical, women throughout history almost uniformly reproduce with men 5-10 years older then themselves across cultures. If a woman peaks between 18-25, she is therefore interested in men between 23 and 35.
On recent studies, there is a correlation with smv and age. However, the research suggests more that men have arbitrary peaks and can peak at any time between 18-50.
Think about it for a second. We'll use extreme examples.
If youre a frat star or d-1 college qb, graduate school and do nothing with the rest of your life, your peak will be 18-23. You'll get laid like a king while in college, but it will slowly dwindle down afterwards.
Lets use an extreme example of entrepreneurs, comedians and social media stars. Dave portnoy (45 years old) is routinely fucking 18-25 year old instagram models. Russel Peters is a fat and old comedian who has kids with women 20 years younger then himself (hes now 50) who were models and in Miss Universe pagents. Old Movie stars routinely date women in their 20s. Wall street guys do the same (Ive seen it first hand).
Finally, lets take pick up guys. Chris was either 26 or 28 when he got really serious about pick up. He did it for 3-4 years and then stopped. So his peak was early 30s. Derek MPMD went hard when he was in his early 20s. Neil strauss started pick up when he was 32 and was in the game until he was about 40.
My point from all of this is this. It doesnt fucking matter. Peak is theoretical nonsense. From the above, you can see that if you put your nose to the grind stone, you can realistically fuck hot girls when youre under the age of 50. Is it easier being a frat star or popular entrepreneur? Sure. But just being 20 and jerking off in your dorm room or being a 40 year old fat guy wont get you laid because "Im peaking bro"
And for this guy who claims that women are creeped out by older guys. Dog, you need to step off campus and into the real world. You will realize after you graduate school that no one gives a flying fuck about age. Im 27. In the year before lockdowns, I fucked a 19 year old, 22 year old, 33 year old and 42 year old. No one was "creeped" out. You creep people out when youre incredibly socially awkward and unattractive. Thats why looks are preached on here. If youre a jacked guy, youll get away with hitting on younger women. If youre a fatty with a neck beard who looks like he sits in his basement playing runescape all day, youre going to creep everyone out.
Furthermore, my sisters are dating guys 6 and 10 years older then themselves and they are both in their 20s. Again, get this theoretical "peak" garbage out of here. You sound beta af and need to get out more. I literally loled at you calling yourself "older." Youre 23 bro. You couldnt legally drink alcohol 2 years ago. Calling yourself old is truly odd
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