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So my previous post knocked off a few karma points, because it seems some folks on this forum felt like I was confusing them for PUAs.
Not the case at all.
To a certain extent, I do consider GLL pickup but only in the sense that you cold approach unknown women and try to get laid with them. And I use that term becuase 'pick-up' or 'picking up girls' was a term that I associated with getting laid when I was a kid - well before Neil Strauss.
But what I am wondering is why does PUA have a negative reputation among these parts? Why is there a stigma with the term?
The reason I ask is because I know very little about PUAs. I read Neil Strauss' The Game once and saw an episode of VH1's The Pickup Artist. The other thing I know is that their routines can get complicated and quite nerdy at times. Not to mention the ridiculous sense of style that they encourage.
Nor was I ever part of the "seduction community." For my own game, I turned to Mark Manson, Roosh, and more recently GLL. So never did I use 'the cube' or an 'opinion opener' or wear nail polish or fuzzy hats.
Other than that, it just seems like a "methodology" of getting laid. A lame one, and not too effective, but still... why does it carry negativity?
- PUA focuses SOLELY on "techniques" and the words you say. It completely neglects looks, style, bodyfat percentage, getting muscle, etc. The more experience you get with girls, the more you realise the words you say don't even really matter that much
- PUA can be "autistic". As in it focuses on "shittests", "push/pull", "IOIs", and other nerdy language. You become a robot who's obsessed with "if she says x, then I say y". You get in your head so much you may as well not even be in the room with the girl.
- PUAs fucking lie to you, because they're obviously selling a product. "Take our course and you'll be a super-charged sex god who can get laid super easy! Yay!" Chris' Approach Anxiety program is fucking FREE and
- PUAs tend to be SOLELY FOCUSED on getting laid, at the cost of everything else. GLL says you should definitely take a year or a few years to just go nuts and get laid, but then eventually you want to get more efficient and make getting laid a part of your lifestyle (eg cold approach a few girls a day as you go about your life). PUAs tend to be PUAs ALL THE TIME and never turn it off.
- PUAs have no PROOF they get laid. Sure, they have a lot of proof they can get numbers (especially the big youtube PUA channels). But you have no idea if those chicks text them back, meet for a date, or fuck them. Let's be real, a lot of PUAs look like skinnyfat nerds. I doubt girls are getting wet enough to fuck them on the first or second date.
I'm not anything. GLL or PUA - I'm just a guy who talks to girls.
To me there's a little cringe about both. It's all about me and my journey, but sometimes we need words to describe things. I have no words to describe who and what I am or feel I am in this. I'm just there and a girl I want to meet is there and that's it. Not much PUA or GLL in that. Those are just labels for communities and they don't matter.
It's just meeting girls, man. Not much more than that.
I consider anything to do with meeting women and getting laid to be PUA so GLL is a subset of PUA . If you spent time on a general PUA forum you would see that PUA is not about one school of thought, different people gravitate to different styles of PUA. There are people who believe that it is all about techniques and routines and try to learn all the fancy routines around while not paying attention to their appearance. Some believe it is all about inner confidence and set out to develop that aspect of themselves. Then there are people who believe it is all about looks and try to max their looks. I personally believe that looks, hitting the numbers hard and developing killer instinct is the way to go so that's why I gravitate towards the GLL school of thought. I would say just find out what works for you and don't pay too much attention to labels.
PUA also completely ignores or dont wanna accept the fact that a chick might not be "available" , the thing that Chris used to talk about a lot. It is really HUGE, PUAs are all about by hook or crook you have to convert a girl to something that you expect from her. If you fail, it is your fault and your technique was wrong..which is really BS.
You need some game and killer instinct but after been to this for a while and approaching enough you should realize all girls arent available and may be dont want the same thing that you want at that moment. Just move on and get what you want screening tons of chicks
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Why do you guys on GLL not consider yourselves PUA?
24 May 2016 12:34 #250920
PUA is all on convincing a girl you're not trying to fuck her when you want to fuck her. E.g. opinion openers, disqualifications, false time constraints, etc.
GLL is all about being direct. E.g. telling her you're talking to her because you thinks she's cute/sexy, etc.
PUA is indirect. GLL is direct.
PUA assumes the girl is out of your league and you have to find a sneaky way into her social circle, mindfuck her and her friends, etc.
GLL assumes that each and every one of us can make ourselves better and thus have more girls in our league. Having said that, most girls, most of the time are unavailable. It won't matter if you're in her league as she's most likely not available in that moment.
PUA places emphasis on strategies and tactics so they can sell their products (seminars, DVDs, e-books, etc.) to pretty much any guy and tell him he can succeed if he learns their method(s). Fat? Not a problem as long as you say this to a girl...
GLL places emphasis on being the kind of guy women want to be with (sexually) so we'll have advantages over other guys that are less (sexually) desirable. Fat? Well, that's a problem because hot girls don't want to fuck fat guys.
PUA is all about pretending to be a guy you're not in hopes that you can be the guy that fucks her. Deceptive and manipulative.
GLL is about actually being the kind of guy that fucks her. Transforming your body and your style and your social conduct so you're the guy she wants to fuck. Then being aggressive enough to pull the trigger and take action.
PUA is mind fucking the girl.
GLL is fucking the girl's pussy.
Temporarily unavailable as I need to focus on other areas of my life. Only focusing on no more than two goals at once. Best of luck to you guys.
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