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Same here, this is a great read and the results are impressive and would sound too good to be true if you didn't have the pictures to back them up.
I'm curious too about which brands of MK and Osta you went with.
I've had similar issues with insomnia, including taking the desperate ( for me ) of eliminating coffee and any other source of caffeine.
The interesting thing that happened to me after 3 months without coffee is my first cup of Peet's coffee in 3 months was a lot like a medium fast hit of Kratom. I realized just how similar Kratom and Coffee are being from the same family and how the plants have similar alkaloids that hit some of the same brain centers. Literally my brain was lit up the first couple days I went back to coffee before it went back to the usual caffeine only type of effect.
I have to agree with one of the above replies where he says to experiment with each product one at a time. Throwing kratom and phenibut into the mix can really throw things off since they are affecting neurotransmitters and your sleep cycles.
I'm pretty interested in a lot of what you are saying since I want to run MK and Osta but get organized first.
I pretty much have a PhD in insomnia and cortisol levels myself. PhosphatidylSerine has turned out to be quite a keeper for me, even more than melatonin since PS knocks down cortisol and cortisol is the asshole hormone that robs you of rest and even eats away at your ability to recover and make testosterone.
One thing I learned later on after finding the ideal dose of melatonin ( around 6 mg. powder before bed ) is that it also is supposed to boost GH during the night. After about 6 months of using melatonin consistently I can attest to seeing noticeably better, thicker hair ( which was thinning for me ), somewhat better skin, and a nice improvement in muscle tone and size. I would
venture to say the benefits are cumulative, that is with each passing month I look healthier and a bit younger.
It's a interesting journey learning what types of aging are intrinsic and inevitable and what other aging is environmental and can be managed with supplements that promote growth hormone, good circulation, diet, various kinds of exercise and of course stress management.
Ya i've had a hard time finding a good quality source to buy from. Every time i find a brand i'm interested in buying from i either find amazing reviews that sound like its coming from a sponsor promoting their product, or people bashing the product saying its crap and doesnt work and to buy their product instead.. lol i understand the reason behind it but its frustrating when trying to buy. bottom line i just want to know i am getting a solid product for my gorillas and not some prohormones or sugar pills or extremely cheap overpriced vodka if i go the liquid route. these forums help a lot to see real results and logs so i appreciate the help and post. helps a lot. because whatever you got works for sure!
On getting a good source, check out dc7's web site moreplatesmoredates.com. Search his site for ostarine or MK-677 and you'll find pages with links to his recommended source.
Check out the results of my second cycle
. The pictures show I really bulked up after that one, though I also gained a lot of fat, because during that cycle I ate shitloads of food.
Also, in my last post here I hypothesized that the insomnia was caused by hypoglycemia from under-eating, and my experience with this second cycle is consistent with that hypothesis. I had no issues with sleeping on that cycle except for I think 3 days, which were exactly the 3 days where I didn't eat much and specifically ate a small, low-carb dinner and no late night snacks. I overdid it obviously given how much fat I gained, but somewhere there is probably a happy medium of getting enough food to be able to sleep well without gaining a lot of fat. I probably wasn't eating enough protein either toward the end.
I am currently using ostarine to cut. The log is
Also, yes I stumbled onto PhosphatidylSerine during this cycle doing research on insomnia. I was actually surprised at how long it took me to find it. I think it's the only really effective supplement at reducing cortisol. It definitely helped, but it didn't fully solve anything because I wasn't addressing the root cause of under-eating.
I still occasionally use PS if I feel especially wound up at night.
Those are really good results, and thanks for the detailed log. I always considered ostarine to be a cutting sarm so I found it strange to see you coupled it with MK. But the results speak for themselves.
Come January I'll go for another MK+LGD cycle and come March I'll probably use Ostarine to get to 7%. Keep it up brother.
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Ok thanks man i checked it out like you said. You got really good results with pill sarms I deff thought you were using some liquid sarms. I was debating about using pill sarms or not but might just say fck it and do it lol Did you ever get blood work done? Also how long did you cycle off and did you keep most of the gains and strength? Thats the one thing ive been curious about with the mk. im thinking of doing just mk for a couple months then take a month or so off then do osta before summer.
Holden, I'm not using MK-677 on my cut, just ostarine.
There is, however, some
indicating that growth hormone, at least by itself, is actually better for fat loss than muscle building, I'd be interested to see what someone can accomplish using MK-677 during a cut. Problem is it makes you really hungry so sticking to the calorie deficit will be a challenge.
For this cycle I actually was using liquids. I was using a different source before the current one became available. Both were recommended by dc7. For the second cycle and current cutting cycle I used pills.
"Also, yes I stumbled onto PhosphatidylSerine during this cycle doing research on insomnia. I was actually surprised at how long it took me to find it"
PS is expensive, especially in capsule form if you want to take more than 500 mg a day. Oddly a lot of the capsule suppliers recommend 1 or 2 100 mg. capsules a day which didn't work so well for me. I just happened to come across some blog post somewhere explaining you need more like 400 or 500, 800 is even better.
The best place I found for bulk "powder" ( it's pretty clumpy like lecithin ) is powdercity.com. 25 grams is about $15 which lasts almost a month. I was probably spending $15 a week on NyQuil since I didn't want to try a prescription sleep med.
Occasionally if I wake up at 4 am I'll have another 300 or 400 mg PS that usually gets me back to sleep although I don't have as big a problem with wakes since the melatonin makes me pretty groggy during the night.
Insomnia is a thief that robs you of your quality of life so I like to make sleep health my first priority. Lately I've been getting some good results with D-Aspartic Acid powder during the day ( 3 grams in the morning ). It helps with well being and probably helps with middle age related lowered testosterone. DAA isn't as good for younger guys who are healthier but I think it's good for overworked, overstressed working stiffs eking out a living in a cubicle. It gets harder and harder to turn off the wheels and gears in your head when you can't stop overthinking and never relax.
MK-677 is more expensive so I'll have to budget for it in a few months. I want to get my weight and diet and kitchen organized so I'm ready for the appetite attacks guys keep describing. I do like to eat, not a problem but I overdo the portions all the time.
If MK-677 affects my appetite I should probably plan some Las Vegas buffet based trips. There's always a few off-strip buffets that are popular priced and have great quality to get people to the property. You can do pretty well with some of them with roasts, salmon, incredible variety of cuisines. Some of the lunch prices are around $18 - $20. Most buffets can be pretty lousy so you have to check around. Right now Palms Casino and the M Resort and Mirage are the best.
If I'm going to binge on eating I might as well use a buffet with really good food instead of stuffing my face with junk and low quality bulk items like hot dogs, cheap Mexican or whatever.
I know the feeling when your appetite and metabolism get elevated.
I tried powdercity Tongkat Ali a few times. It works like gangbusters for few days than I have to wait a while like a few weeks to get a good surge.
I can feel a warm surge in my lower abdomen, right where there receptors for semen production are. I couldn't believe my libido I wish it would work like that everyday. Anyway I could feel the meals inside my moving through my system much faster. You forget what it was like when you were a kid.
Testosterone decline is kind of gradual so you don't notice the changes, they just creep up on you.
Ok cool. personally what product did you like more? the liquid or the pills? was there any difference really? my biggest debate is whether or not to get the liquid or pill version. With mk you dont need a PCT right since it doesnt mess with test and estrogen and etc? or did you do a pct?
mitchelldog123 wrote: Ok cool. personally what product did you like more? the liquid or the pills? was there any difference really? my biggest debate is whether or not to get the liquid or pill version. With mk you dont need a PCT right since it doesnt mess with test and estrogen and etc? or did you do a pct?
Just for the record, the liquid source I hooked sweatervest up with on his first cycle closed up shop and no longer is available.
You cannot get them anymore.
The updated recommendation on my site is the current best source available, as well as the fairest price for the high quality. With the 15% discount code (DC15) it's very affordable in comparison to the other research sites with formidable quality.
No you don't need a PCT for MK-677 by itself. For MK-2866 (Ostarine) you do need a PCT. So if you combine MK-677 and Ostarine (MK-2866) you would need a PCT because the Osta is in there.
"Lately I've been getting some good results with D-Aspartic Acid powder during the day ( 3 grams in the morning )."
I forgot to add that I've been taking 2.5 Primaforce Yohimbine capsules along with 3 grams Serious Nutrition D-Aspartic powder each morning.
Yohimbine gets the blood flowing and the DAA elevates my mood and libido.
Note : a lot people initially get Yohimine and Yohimbe confused. The one you want is Yohimbine HCL.
The good news about my DAA plus Yohimbine stack for an overall growth hormone boosting feeling is they are relatively cheap. I'm doing a week on, a week off with the DAA.
Assessing and experimenting to get the right stack or combinations is the trick since everyone's body metaboiism and internal hormonal balances are different. Your weight, circulation all make a difference and your own body will change over time.
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