TOPIC: slippery slope into misogyny

Ahem ! You ruined nothing.

A girl interested in you doesn't say you're "ok".

A girl with healthy relationships conceptions doesn't say : "inner beauty is all that counts blah blah blah", only desperate girls say that.

She was just never interested in you.

Nah she was into him, she was just playing games, he knows he could have fucked. She just didn't validate him. Thing is he just got laid so there was incongruity between the two realities so he did what he normally does, flip out. It's tough because the way he goes about things, there's no personal growth whatsoever so it's like he's on a roller coaster. The bottom line on this site is getting laid. Nature takes the path of least resistance and the reality is it's easy to get laid especially with average chicks. So it's like he knows how to get laid but he doesn't know what's really going on, his strengths and his weaknesses. He just thinks it's because of the way he looks and that when he gets to 9% bf then things will change yet how slow is he moving towards this goal. There's only one journey here. I mean like you say you have talked to 10 000+ chicks yet 17 lays. Haha it's more than me but I've talked to maybe 150 chicks in my life. It's not impressive to hear guys getting laid, looking at the quality of chicks I've fucked is not impressive, in such a community what's really impressive and inspiring is seeing true identity level change because difference between say new guys or chodes and guys that get it is incredibly massive so to me it doesn't matter as much that he missed the lay, there's dates lined up for next week probably, it's that he's still soft

bemore wrote: Nah she was into him, she was just playing games, he knows he could have fucked. She just didn't validate him. Thing is he just got laid so there was incongruity between the two realities so he did what he normally does, flip out. It's tough because the way he goes about things, there's no personal growth whatsoever so it's like he's on a roller coaster. The bottom line on this site is getting laid. Nature takes the path of least resistance and the reality is it's easy to get laid especially with average chicks. So it's like he knows how to get laid but he doesn't know what's really going on, his strengths and his weaknesses. He just thinks it's because of the way he looks and that when he gets to 9% bf then things will change yet how slow is he moving towards this goal. There's only one journey here. I mean like you say you have talked to 10 000+ chicks yet 17 lays. Haha it's more than me but I've talked to maybe 150 chicks in my life. It's not impressive to hear guys getting laid, looking at the quality of chicks I've fucked is not impressive, in such a community what's really impressive and inspiring is seeing true identity level change because difference between say new guys or chodes and guys that get it is incredibly massive so to me it doesn't matter as much that he missed the lay, there's dates lined up for next week probably, it's that he's still soft

holy shit man. it's really fucking creepy how we've never met but somehow know me so well

Yeah Leopard gotta agree, she was way interested in me but i guess in the end i just wanted validation. Or maybe some sort of screening ? like, nowadays i find myself doing this very often, trying to get chicks to validate me -- i think much less nowadays for validation's sake(but am still insecure), but if i can somehow get a chick to agree with me that i look hot and not the inner beauty counts discourse, i feel like somehow i'm screening her and saying subtly, "this is what it's about, the physical". i did this to a chick i went out with earlier this week, she also gave that whole inner beauty speech (but i didn't flip out that time thank god, we separated amiably)
_{or this could be just an exercise in mental masturbation and i'm just deluding myself}

"So it's like he knows how to get laid but he doesn't know what's really going on, his strengths and his weaknesses. He just thinks it's because of the way he looks and that when he gets to 9% bf then things will change yet how slow is he moving towards this goal."

hey man could you explain more on this ? i feel like i have enough experience to get laid (with average chicks sadly), but there is just something i can't come to terms with. Pre-GLL, i used to be Mr Funny Man and relied more on humour/intellect/well-roundedness. Ever since GLL, i started relying more on looks (but still throwing in those things every now and then)

I know it's easier said than done but stop analyzing this. It's not rocket-science just takes Ronin's advice there's not much more to it.

Keep recruiting fuckbuddies and if a girl gives you shit just next her and forget it. Fuck it if they're only average right now, the more girls you have the quicker you'll learn to not give a shit and the faster you'll move onto tapping hotter girls.

As for asking a girl if you're attractive I'd NEVER do this - When Chris does it it's a playful opener, what you've been doing is seeking validation.

You're awesome Alejandro you're gonna kill it.

Just keep hitting the numbers and read this if you haven't already www.amazon.com/The-Obstacle-Is-Way-Timeless/dp/1591846358

ya the times I can relate to the OP when I feel bitter and resentful towards women, it's not so much misogyny I would say, it's more jealousy, envy, because most people would agree that women can get sex much more than men can, women have more leverage in the sexual department, it's often argued they are the gatekeepers to sex.

Rod wrote: I know it's easier said than done but stop analyzing this. It's not rocket-science just takes Ronin's advice there's not much more to it.

Keep recruiting fuckbuddies and if a girl gives you shit just next her and forget it. Fuck it if they're only average right now, the more girls you have the quicker you'll learn to not give a shit and the faster you'll move onto tapping hotter girls.

As for asking a girl if you're attractive I'd NEVER do this - When Chris does it it's a playful opener, what you've been doing is seeking validation.

You're awesome Alejandro you're gonna kill it.

Just keep hitting the numbers and read this if you haven't already www.amazon.com/The-Obstacle-Is-Way-Timeless/dp/1591846358

thanks for the kind words bro. i'll try to order it when Christmas comes around

@WishIWasASaiyan, this is true, but i honestly think bemore hit it right on the nail, that a lot of the negativity i'm nowadays experiencing is not because i'm not getting laid (i do, but heck even in the bed i have problems -- see my thread on ED), but bec, well, they're average or not the girls i'm genuinely attracted to. the funny thing is, i somehow know i can get hotter girls if i really work hard for it; all the girls i've ever been out with, they keep saying that honestly i could go out with prettier girls than them based on both my looks + personality. but the reality has been so far different...

I'll probably continue fucking average chicks. As Rod says, I think it's the best short-term/temporary solution I have to keep myself less resentful

edit: sorry guys, this thread has become too negative. i promise i'll improve myself on this

Ya I'm sure most of us wouldn't be using this site if we lowered our standards, I know I would have lost my v-card a long time ago if I lowered my standards, I was sort of a late bloomer, ya but the way I see it, for us guys its literally a matter of knowing how to get a cute pretty average or above average looking girlfriend, get laid with a girl that has a lot of options, for good looking girls, its literally not a matter of knowing how, since girls don't have to be the initiators, being the initator/escalator, leader requires skill, being passive/follower does not require any skill

but I've gone to therapy lately to treat my misogynistic attitudes towards women, well it's more jealousy, envious towards them since the fact they have a vagina, that means they are on the receiving end, and when you are on the receiving end of things, you get to have the final say, you just have to accept or reject at the whim, yes duh I fuckin' know its the reality of life, i'm just mad and angry at my social upbringing, conditioning that made me Beta, or maybe i'm just naturally born a Beta Male, that's why a few months ago I posted in the depression forum sometimes I have felt like getting into a fight to release my anger, rage, frustration over not getting laid, but therapy has helped that, and pushing myself to work out at the gym more often has helped but sadly those are temporary. Since girls don't have to approach, initiate/escalate, that means for them, getting laid, getting a date/relationship is not a matter of knowing how for them, it just happens out of thin air for them, being passive or being a follower doesn't require any skill or knowledge, practice or any form of social intelligence, but being assertive, being a follower, being the initiator/escalator/approacher does, yes I know you are gonna say so what? complaining about it won't change anything, you're right, it won't, but i'm just stating the god damn facts.

Anyway I remember I had to vent sarcastically and I felt I made a valid point argument about masculinity and fighting, me arguing against the points of life, reality says about gender roles, here it is: "Guys are equipped to penetrate, which is an act of aggression, Males have a penis, which equals aggression, Females have a vagina, which means receiving. That’s it.", "Penis - Erects, Goes out, Penetrates, Pushes in, Seeks, Discharges", "Because testicles generate testosterone. Testosterone is what generates physical dominance, competitiveness, and confidence. It generates the drive to approach, conquer, and consume. If you are lacking any of these qualities, you likely have a low testosterone level. Working out regularly will fix a lot of this."

My response to that: punching, hitting is an act of aggression too which involves testosterone, so it means the guy is actually using his balls, since fighting and aggression involves testosterone, and for those people that use Penis arguments by saying "the penis penetrates, therefore it goes forward". Punching somebody, hitting somebody with your fist is another form of penetration as well, because you are sending shockwaves into their body as you hit them, when you punch somebody you are penetrating (well not exactly going through their body) but still sending shockwaves, when you are throwing a punch it involves you pushing and extending your arm out, like an erection, because when you make a fist, the shape is bulbous, like a penis. So therefore I believe I made a valid logical argument.

Basically, sometimes I feel I have a deep raging animal burning inside of me, like how you see male buffalos, male deers fighting each-other in order to mate with a female, that primal urge probably exists in all of us human males today but we have been conditioned, socialized since civilization, probably like since Mesopotamian times to handle courtship by spitting game instead, not saying I want to go back to the Caveman ways, but still, the long sexual dry spell makes you feel like a ticking time bomb at times, I guess that's why we should be thankful hookers, escorts exist, please don't think i'll be like that entitled brat Elliot Rodger. Ya I felt I made a good sarcastic argument associating a penis with throwing a punch, hitting someone, because when a woman throws a punch, it's obviously softer than a mans punch, because they have a vagina, lol.

@ Alejandro: Your welcome mate. As for getting hotter girls, do you ever hit on really hot girls? I nailed average girls for a long time, but one of the game-changers for me was to simply start going after the hot ones.

@WishIwasaSayiyan: Congrats on the therapy progress man it takes balls to do so. As for the frustration against women "having it easy" I always think of it this way: Girls want a cool guy to chase them down, in other words their happiness relies on someone ELSE taking action. Guys are born to take action, as you say we are the initiators, our happiness relies on OUR actions. now what would you rather have? Personally, I love women but I'm happy as hell that I was born a man.

I get where you're going with the aggression part by the way, I think all guys need to fight, fuck, eat and sleep to be truly happy, which is why I tell everyone to try out MMA or BJJ. I was never an aggressive guy but words can't explain how much more balanced my life got after i started.

Rod wrote: @ Alejandro: Your welcome mate. As for getting hotter girls, do you ever hit on really hot girls? I nailed average girls for a long time, but one of the game-changers for me was to simply start going after the hot ones.

@WishIwasaSayiyan: Congrats on the therapy progress man it takes balls to do so. As for the frustration against women "having it easy" I always think of it this way: Girls want a cool guy to chase them down, in other words their happiness relies on someone ELSE taking action. Guys are born to take action, as you say we are the initiators, our happiness relies on OUR actions. now what would you rather have? Personally, I love women but I'm happy as hell that I was born a man.

I get where you're going with the aggression part by the way, I think all guys need to fight, fuck, eat and sleep to be truly happy, which is why I tell everyone to try out MMA or BJJ. I was never an aggressive guy but words can't explain how much more balanced my life got after i started.

ya well there are times I hate, despise, loathe having to be the initiator, taking the lead, etc., I guess its natural hate something you suck at doing, and plus for once I would love to be able to give a girl a "girlfriend" objection, just as its common for guys to encounter a girl saying to them 'I have a boyfriend', I would like to be able to have the final say for once, be able to control the outcome,.

Rod wrote: @ Alejandro: Your welcome mate. As for getting hotter girls, do you ever hit on really hot girls? I nailed average girls for a long time, but one of the game-changers for me was to simply start going after the hot ones.

@WishIwasaSayiyan: Congrats on the therapy progress man it takes balls to do so. As for the frustration against women "having it easy" I always think of it this way: Girls want a cool guy to chase them down, in other words their happiness relies on someone ELSE taking action. Guys are born to take action, as you say we are the initiators, our happiness relies on OUR actions. now what would you rather have? Personally, I love women but I'm happy as hell that I was born a man.

I get where you're going with the aggression part by the way, I think all guys need to fight, fuck, eat and sleep to be truly happy, which is why I tell everyone to try out MMA or BJJ. I was never an aggressive guy but words can't explain how much more balanced my life got after i started.

As you say guys are born to take action, what would I rather have? well let's just say I do it because I have to not because I want to, taking action would be better, as in I would enjoy it more if I had more control over the outcome

And even though a woman's dating/sexual market value declines as she gets older,for men it doesn't, yes I do embrace that, but sometimes I'm jealous and envious of women even though they are the opposite sex, because since they are value for their youth more they are less likely to be late bloomers