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So today I went out at 5:30 am and took the bus to Toronto for a day of approaching/AA drills. I got there and honestly could not do the drills. I was pretty hopeless and spent literally 6 hours, doing NOTHING! This was pretty demotivating. I can't really say more than that.
I met up with Hollow and I can't believe the confidence and advice that I received from him. In the couple hours that we were together he must have approached 40-50 girls and got rejected 95% of the time. This wasn't because he wasn't good looking or wasn't edgy or didn't have "Game". It was because the girl wasn't interested or had a boyfriend etc etc... He has flaws too but he doesn't care and he gets laid. The one thing he told me that struck hard that he even learned from Scotty was that everyone here is equal and we all have potential. The only difference is who takes action and how long they've been doing this stuff. He admitted flaws like not making eye contact enough with girls.
He took action and was getting eye contact from girls and would approach them. He took my drill and applied it to his regular approaching.
Another thing I learned is that AA isn't important if you can approach and understand the concepts that are being taught. AA isn't this golden ruling guideline. I want to get laid and I shouldn't let silly drills impede me from reaching my goals. That being said I am going to skip this eye contact drill from now. It makes me too frusturated and it's not integral in succeeding with girls. I will however keep going with the AA drills because they do help and I want to finish what I've started because the drills are fun and will make me even less anxious around girls.
Today I approached 5 girls. This might not seem like a lot but I've never done this many approaches in a day. I got rejected pretty hard 4 times in a row and on the last girl I showed progress and was able to come off as confident. I was able to keep the conversation going and got the number. I ended the conversation with I got to go meet someone now but It was cool talking to you and I thought I'd grab your number. I then kissed her on the cheek and left. I couldn't help but to smile ear to ear after this and just felt so incredibly good despite being so fucking nervous haha.
Overall, It was cool to see Hollow just randomly notice a girl and leave me to approach her mid sentence with me. It reminded of how scotty would do it in videos and how I imagined going out with him would be like. I think I am done being a slave to these drills and It's time to get laid and start hitting the numbers. I'll need to work on doing approaches by myself but with the right attitude and mindset.. I can do whatever the fuck I want...
Don't pm me asking questions if you are not going to message me back with a thank you after a lengthy answer or if you are going to debate with my experiences. If you can't say please and thank you, ask your mother to teach you some manners.
Hey man you've been making great progress but I don't think you should cut out eye contact entirely, just go back to it when you have finished a few more drills. I'm still on my first week but eye contact is serious business. I find that a lot of attraction or easy conversations start through eye contact. It's like a free approach. Good stuff mate, I too had a reflection about how ultimately these drills aren't about completion but ultimately to approach and fuck girls. Keep it up
Goals for 2015:
- finish AA program
- lose my virginity
- get six pack abs
- increase my weight to 180lbs
- start a business
- start a blog
- get into a fraternity
Slowking wrote: Hey man you've been making great progress but I don't think you should cut out eye contact entirely, just go back to it when you have finished a few more drills. I'm still on my first week but eye contact is serious business. I find that a lot of attraction or easy conversations start through eye contact. It's like a free approach. Good stuff mate, I too had a reflection about how ultimately these drills aren't about completion but ultimately to approach and fuck girls. Keep it up
Honestly man, I probably will come back to it but It's not that important. Especially this drill.. What person ever gets 5 seconds of eye contact?
From what Hunk and Hollow have said, if you can get eye contact and the girl is good looking, for sure go after her. Don't wait for eye contact either though. If you think a girl is smoking hot then go after her. Hollow approached this girl who really eye fucked him and he introduced himself and she had a boyfriend. To me, the drills aren't that important. If I can do 5 approaches daily, what's the point? I no longer have AA impeding on my mind, well maybe a little but that's why I am going to continue them but there's no reason why I can't approach while I am improving my body, AA and style.
Awesome! I'm happy to hear guys helping each other out and in person too. That's what this community is all about.
dashedhopes wrote: To me, the drills aren't that important. If I can do 5 approaches daily, what's the point? I no longer have AA impeding on my mind, well maybe a little but that's why I am going to continue them but there's no reason why I can't approach while I am improving my body, AA and style.
I would suggest that you finish the AA program. Some of the AAP drills are even more difficult than approaching women. I think Weeks 7 & 8 of the AA program are the two of the most important weeks. You will learn a lot about yourself during weeks 7 & 8. Finishing the AA program will be more beneficial for you in the long run.
You don't want to in the same situation as GenghisKhan:
"I'm back to kill AA for good. It was a big mistake to not finish the program back when I started. But now, I'm all in and I know what I have to do; a list of things that I have to do better in order to kill AA."
Nothing in moderation. Lets beat your AA for good.
Thanks a ton man, I'll definitely keep this in mind but several people have told me that If I can approach women fine, then there's no reason for me to do the AA program.
Yes, I will keep doing the program but for now I want to get laid. A lot of people I know were getting pussy before the program or were even getting it during so obviously "rules" were broken. But who the fuck cares. Chris put in those rules so that guys wouldn't be outcome dependent or guys wouldn't use week 2 drills as indirect approaches. Most week 6-8 drills are perfect for direct approaches.
Am I really going to benefit from doing a hugging drill where I count out for 5 seconds? Maybe. But it can wait. I don't NEED to be able to do this in order to get laid or approach hot girls. The point of the drills is to beat the anxiety and approach hot women. I did that today and I'll do it tomorrow.
I'll get the program done because I want to finish what I started and I want to be known for beating the entire thing but for now. I can take it slow and focus on actually approaching and getting laid because that's why I am here, not to spin a girl around as many times as I can.
This is an awesome drill though and can't wait to do it. No harm towards AA program. It helped a lot.
One more shoutout also. This might seem more un-orthodox but I was backing up another guy against Ronin. He was arguably being a dick but whatever. I don't care. He mentioned my signature which had, "Get 10 dates!". God was this ever stupid of me. I have realized my true potential and thank him for insulting me and making me uncomfortable with myself. I needed to change. It's time for me to take real action. I can't be pondering around for hours trying to get the key to doing these certain drills.
I like where your head's at man. My whole plan is by the time I get into week 6 to start approaching 4-5 everyday for a year while concurrently finishing the program. I'm going to finish the program too, but hell I feel in week four that some of these drills are about as tough as just saying hey you're cute/sexy and talking to the girl normally.
Btw rugby is excellent, I played outside center for the U of Arizona. Love that sport. Protect the ankles.
you can do real approaches some days and the program some other days. Im doing this now.
The hard thing in this is to respect the fact that when u are doing drills, you are doing drills.
Before starting week 7 i took some "free time", but then when i restarted drills i always ended up turning drills into approaches at some point, because its always easier than doing drills and you get better reactions of course.
I really realize this shouldnt be the case: doing drills in week 6/7/8 is harder than approaching so its a very useful training, and i think that copmleting week 7 and 8 gives you a much more stable situation on how we will feel about anxiety, so that we can approach better especially in hard situations, or be more resistent to losing progress in periods when we are busy with other things (i guess it has happened to everyone already)
Then about eye contact, its not important that the girl keeps it for 5 second, but that u can keep it. Try to train it in various situations, not only doing drills, but in the bus for example. Then dont be too strict about 5 seconds or 3 or 2....for example if girls are too shy where u live, its their problem, as long as you are confortable with eye contact
respect the fact that when u are doing drills, you are doing drills.
Won't be a problem man. I almost wanted just permission to start approaching and my best friend(from GLL) and Hollow both told me that I didn't really need to finish out the AA program. However, that being said I do want to finish it so that I can just say that I completed the entire thing.
I can approach girls which is the important thing. My most recent experience has proven this and I can start improving on taking girls from a street or a bar into my bed.
Btw, I fucking love approaching. It's really addicting and I get a sick feeling of crazy adrenaline.
Day 44 Drill (Level 6)
Make eye-contact with a girl for 3-5 seconds, smile and say "cute", Leave
Make eye-contact with a girl for 3-5 seconds, smile and say "cute, high-five" (and give her a high-five), Leave
Make eye-contact with a girl for 3-5 seconds, smile and say "cute, high-five" (and give her a high-five), Introduce yourself "I'm [Name]", Leave
Make eye-contact with a girl for 3-5 seconds, smile and say "cute, high-five" (and give her a high-five), Introduce yourself "I'm [Name]", Shake Her Hand, Leave
I did all 16 today and it feels great. I was in a bit of a slump but I finally got out of it and it was extremely beneficial. I got laid because of it and I have been doing day approaches which is fucking awesome.
What helped me the most was taking a step back and rethinking this drill to actually figure out the best way to approach it.
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Once upon a time, a very strong woodcutter asked for a job in a timber merchant and he got it. The pay was really good and so was the work condition. For those reasons, the woodcutter was determined to do his best.
His boss gave him an axe and showed him the area where he supposed to work.
The first day, the woodcutter brought 18 trees.
“Congratulations,” the boss said. “Go on that way!”
Very motivated by the boss words, the woodcutter tried harder the next day, but he could only bring 15 trees. The third day he tried even harder, but he could only bring 10 trees. Day after day he was bringing less and less trees.
“I must be losing my strength”, the woodcutter thought. He went to the boss and apologized, saying that he could not understand what was going on.
“When was the last time you sharpened your axe?” the boss asked.
“Sharpen? I had no time to sharpen my axe. I have been very busy trying to cut trees…”
This story is very relevant to my success in this drill, AA and approaching in general. It has a great meaning and can be very applicable to use focused and determined men.
I relooked at Chris' explanation of the drill and I read, "Try for eye-contact and a smile but if it doesn't happen- walk up and hit on her". This was what made me able to do the drill. I was looking way too many things and I was screening way too hard for eye contact and quality of the girl but I was being way too picky.
Today I got more good responses than normal. Instead of only approaching girls that re-gave me eye contact I approached all the girls that I TRIED to get eye contact with. The girls that even remotely gave me some eye contact were so excited to talk to me and it's shown me that eye contact can actually be really helpful. I was in a different city in BC today and every girl was a lot more healthy and happy, it was a nice change from disrespectful rejections.
One more thing... I looked back at my last response to this thread and I was being a fucking bitch.
1/16 Eye contact drill.. lol fml
I have progressed since then and I am going to start taking more control over my AA and approaching. I got laid from tinder but I mainly attribute this to my looks and not my determination to get laid but I am proud of myself. I was never done AA completely but I needed a break and it definitely helped. I've sharpened the axe and I am ready to keep wrecking trees. Going hard in the PAINT!!!!
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