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I have been reading about PE serveral years ago about manual exercises. I gave it a try but it is so time consuming that I already gave up after 3 weeks. I also experimented a little with a self made stretcher but I found that the grip is the problem on those devices. accidantal I came accross the VLC tugger and from there I came on the GLL website. The concept of the grip of the VLC and also the very cheap price plus the very small size of the device made me order it. I only couldn't wear it for a long time because it always slipped off, so I didn't use it the first half year untill I made my own upgrade with a 3D printer to lock the rubber sleeve on the tugger. Mean while I ordered the Bathmate 30X. Now I am in my second week of using the bathmate. I kinda use it every day.
NBPF = 4 inch
NBPE= 5.9 inch
EG = 5 inch
My first experience was very good. I read about sealing problems and balls that get sucked in. Since I always shave I didn't have any problem with suction and my balls stay where they are. So after the first session my pump was like WOW. I went in flaccid and I was almost worried that I can devellop a cock which is way to huge. But that's is mainly because I have never seen myself with a cock like that. It also felt heavy and girth was almost a hand full. This was gone after 5 minutes but still I had a good one for the rest of the night. After 2 weeks I am already used to my bigger flaccid so not scared anymore to get a cock which is too big, now I worry more about getting the permanent results.
What made my experience even better is that I just met this horny girl and I had sex with her once before I had the bathmate. So one week later when I had the BM I used it for the 3th time and after I had sex with her. After she told me that the first time when we had sex I thought your cock is not that big, but now I think its quite big, what happened? So that was very nice to hear. I just told her that I am more bigger and harder because the first time I always have some troubles getting hard and stay hard. I also have to say that I kegel a bit (not like those extreme routines) and that my EQ is quite good now.
After a BM session I use my VLC for 1 to max 4 hours.
My ultimate goal will be 8*6 but I will already be very happy with a 7*5.5
So that means 1.1 inch in lenght and 0.5 inch in girth.
For the experience guys a few questions.
Just from my own common sense of analysing PE
1. Why does it matter if you go in hard or flacced in the BM. The only diference that I see with my few experiences is that you come to max pressure with just 2 pumps instead of 3 to 4. Since your penis is already filled with blood you just have to pump less to get maximum pressure, the pressure is limited by the spring effect of the bellow so theoretical it shouldn't effect the pressure. That's just how I see it.
2. To me the BM seems to be a way better and more efficient alternative for jelking. So why should you still jelk if you already use the BM? The reason I think so is because with jelking you force blood in your penis but you can never get the same pressure and also not the evenly devided pressure in whole your penis like in the BM also time wise 12 minutes BM wil be equal to 240 3 second jelks which mainly pressurises the end of your penis and not the beginning of the penis.
3. I think the same counts for manual stretching. I don't think manual stretching can ever compete with a stretching device that you hold on for hours.
I will measure after 3 months to see what my results are.
I was on a holiday for almost 2 weeks so I didn't do any PE. Today I did a short BM session of 10 min. A few hours later I did a session in bath for the first time. The advantage of doing it in bath is that no air can get inside which will slightly increase the pressure. Therefor I had a "record" 175 mm. Normally I am around the 170.
I did notice that my flaccid was still good during my whole holiday.
Hopefully I will get other people view about my questions in the first post.
Hey PEprojectX, congrats on your new endeavor into PE.
To answer your questions:
1. You'll be surprised at the actual difference between entering flaccid or hard. The tissue expands a fair bit more. It's the concept of why your dick grows in the first place. Your dick is already at maximum natural capacity, and then the Bathmate pushes it even further.
2 & 3. As Chris has pointed out in some of his articles, you can make great gains by just using the devices by themselves, especially just starting out on any type of program. The manual exercises are just to get the additional bonuses IF you want to incorporate them. Granted, if you do PE for long enough, you'll eventually HAVE to bring them in if you want to continue to make gains.
Today I almost had an embarrasing experience. Since I travel quite often I have to bring my BM on trips. When I got my bagage from the belt and walking true costums I was picked out to open my bagage for check. This was also done by a woman. Luckily she didn't look that secure so I didn't had to anser the question "what is this?"
Does anyone has experience with this or has a very good "excuse" to explain what it is.
Today I had a very intense BM session. I did 2 times 10 minutes entered with a boner. I also hit the 180 mm for the first time. And the second time 181 mm. I had quite some water retention, but i have this every session btw (only arround my skin just below my dick head and my foreskin.
I have tried entering with a boner and just flacid and I don't really feel and see the difference. I hit the same length in the bathmate and the past pump is also the same. I read about insane results after entering with a boner so what do I do wrong?? When I enter with a boner I always go out flacid even when its just for a short time.
I had a week off with the bathmate. My PE will also not be a strict routine since it will be impossible for me to do it because of my irregular life. So I will find out if gains are possible without a strict routine. hopefully it is.
Today I tried something new. I noticed that in all my previous BM sesions my foreskin was always pulled backwards a lot. So today I started with a warming up, hot water in the BM and just put my dick in it for a minute to make it warm. Then I lubed my dick with olive oil and jelked it I little bit and made it hard. When I put on the BM and pump it up my for skin wasn't pulled backwards that far but more like the natural way if you have a boner. I stayed in 12 minutes and had a 18.1 cm on the gauge for the second time so far. After the 12 minutes I took a 5 minutes break and did another 4 minutes session, here I hit the 18.5 cm which is a new record for me . Afterwards I measured to see if there were any differences. My measurements were the same as the last time I measured. But it is always good to feel that pumped dick in your hands, I hope one day that will be my natural flaccid size. But I will try this procedure again to see if this works better for me.
It is still a question for me why one day I only have hit 16.5 and most times 17 to 17.5 and suddenly now and one time before over 18. Does anybody has the same experience?
After a couple of times going in flacid I noticed the difference between entering hard today. The pressure feels much more like it almost hurts and I hit the 18 again. But I don't see a difference afterwards. But I think the more pressure the better so from now on I will keep going in as hard as possible.
I am doing a daily session of arround 10 minutes. Afterwards I stretch with the VLC tugger for 30-60 minutes. I notice that since a week I hit the 18 cm everytime. Maybe my technique of using the bathmate improved or maybe I am making a little progress.
I am thinking to give it atleast a one year try to see if the PE is giving me any growth.
Still doing the sessions. I forgot to mention that my dick became dark since 3 weeks ago. I will have 1.5 more weeks of PE then I will have a 2 weeks off because I am going on a vacation. I would like to see if my dick returns to its normal color. I also want to measure up again to see if I gained something perminant..
I am also planning to use a wine vacu soon. In the beginning of BM I usually had this kind off pain in my dick at full pressure, this feeling I don't have anymore so I want to increase pressure to get back to that feeling again.
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