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I'm 5'7 and around 185 reasonably muscular. However, I've been training going on sixteen years. With my natural genetics I will never even reach 200 pounds of lean body mass nonetheless surpass that. In winter clothes(jackets, long sleeve shirts, etc.) my musculature is largely hidden, it still looks like I lift but not as much. This means that when I go out to bars, I don't look muscular unless it's summer and I'm not wearing a coat. Even then, I fit a size small tight, and I'm not even shredded. If I got lean enough to have sick abs, I would probably weigh like 170 and even small shirts would be baggy around the midsection. Every time I go out to bars, I kid you not, I'm one of the shortest if not the shortest guy in the place. However I'm one of the only ones who looks like he lifts if not the only one.
I want to be able to grab attention when I go out rather than being largely ignored. At my height, there's no set of clothes that's going to do that for me. I'm wondering if taking anabolics would make a difference. Any advice would be appreciated. .
I dunno about roids improving with girls, but getting shredded makes your face super sexy to girls. Your height can be changed bro, wear some nice lifts and you can easily be 5'10-5'11 maybe even 6ft (your feet will hurt like hell).
I've tried shoe lifts they hurt and feel unnatural to walk in. My face is also already very lean. My cheekbones are prominent and so is my jawline when I don't have a beard. That's the thing, I think it might just be that I'm too small and I don't command enough attention. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe I would have a better shot if I had a more commanding presence and I don't know how else to get that but roids and maybe a face/eye tattoo one day when I have my finances straight.
Yeah man shoe lifts takes time getting used to especially when you mess with 4+ inches. I have a way to make it look natural and with boots (better if I make a video about it, soon). If you feel that way do you then, but I think at the end of the day you just need to look good enough for you to feel good about it so you don't get stuck in your head when you're out.
You should also post a few pic of yourself, other more experienced guys can give better help.
It's probably not going to get you laid, to be honest. For all you know, you could do worse.. Post photos of yourself, your clothes and max those out before you think about spending hundreds of dollars on steroids.
I'm 5'9 and 200 lbs and could put on 10-20 lbs of lean muscle in the next 2-3 years without steroids. I really think you're cutting yourself short and this idea that you think bigger = more girls is crazy.
Bad Idea Bear wrote: Gio, your problem is that you're too fat. You need to lose bodyfat, not put on more muscle.
Also you keep expecting women to throw themselves at you. You're not gonna have sex with anyone if you don't put the work in.
I do put in the work. I pulled a cute fat chick two months ago from Hoboken, without a car, and with minimal conversation. I got her home with an uber. Though unfortunately the sex was bad because her pussy smelled really bad and i wasn't into her anymore after I pulled her panties off.
I got a few makeouts that haven't gone anywhere but they were with attractive girls.
I don't expect girls to throw themselves at me. I do the approaching, I do the work, I just feel like I'm not getting enough results.
Too fat? I'm usually the leanest guy in these packed ass bars who isn't tall and scrawny.
Let's pretend for a second that I was super shredded like Bruce Lee, how would girls see that if I'm wearing clothes, especially a coat? Being ripped is mostly for when your shirt is off, especially if you're small. Being small and ripped is like having a long, skinny dick. Abs are only impressive if you're big, I don't necessarily mean bodybuilder big, but decently muscled.
I'm just wondering if enhancing my physique with anabolics will get me more girls. Maybe it won't, but I would think that a noticeably muscular guy, extra muscles if he's short, would command more positive attention from females. I just want to up my chances as much as possible. I don't see the point in cutting if I'm just going to be a shrimp afterwards.
Gio, sorry to break it to ya, but BIB is right. Your face will look much better at circa 10% bf.
When you're 5'7, being jacked makes fuck all difference. Height always wins until you're 6ft. Then muscle starts playing a role.
Also Gio, I'm really struggling to comprehend why fat chicks require you to do so much work. When I was listening to donkey RSD, I pulled enough fat hippos to fill up a zoo - they're really not that hard...
No matter how jacked you are it will be your confidence and attitude (outcome independence, or IDGAF) that makes you attractive. I would say past a certain point being more jacked is a turn off, especially for a short guy (makes you look more insecure right away).
Girls do a LOT of judging by appearances, and with your height it is certainly an uphill battle in a competitive environment (like bars and clubs with tall guys).
You mention shirts looking baggy at the waist. Don't put up with that, put the money into getting your clothes tailored vs. buying expensive or brand name clothes. A regular $20 t-shirt that is tapered (will cost you 10 -15 bux) for a nice muscular body will look 10X better ON YOU than a more fashionable $40 t-shirt that isn't fitted to you. Same with jackets and pants, although pants usually need less work for guys. I go to a local Nicaraguan seamstress who does alterations and she tapers all my shirts and jackets for me. I get compliments on my look and clothes all the time and it's nothing special, often cheap button-downs from Target that I got tapered so they show my narrow waist and broad shoulders better.
This is going to be a little controversial but it's is my story so bear with it.
There were a couple reasons why I started testosterone.
1) I hit my newb gains in 1-2 years and for 4-5 years after I was just spinning my wheels/ couldnt gain.
2) I thought that testosterone would give me a shift in mindset eventually allowing me to finally lose my virginity.
**When my mind finally decided that I couldnt do either of the above 2 things UNTIL I had tasted the sweet nectar of youth.
I hopped on test and lets just say its been underwhelming. My experience with girls has remained the same ( at 0) and my gains are aight. Ill only know my gains at the end after my PCT so lets forget about that for now.
If you truly feel like steroids will change your life, then just do it. BUT make sure your first cycle is only test and that you take the proper precautions and protocols.
For me it hasnt done anything, or I should say, I havnt done anything with it. After this 1st cycle of mine, I wont be using anymore. Maybe when im 30+ ill try again or do TRT or some shit.
For short guys, like Shanghai mentioned, muscle doesnt make a big difference after a certain point. Im going to focus on maintaining a lean, atheletic body and hopefully maximizing my facial aesthetics. This will be done through hairline modification and (less likely) chin modification surgeries.
Im the same height as you but with less weight. Whenever I have gone out during the night ( 2x a year maybe) I feel like a midget and combined with other factors I obviously get 0 interest. Night game is dead to me, but it differs for everyone so take night game for what it is.
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