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Questions about test propionate 16 Oct 2017 18:10 #292705

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So it turns out there are some countries where you can get test prop over the counter. From listening to the Mike Cernovich podcast it seems test propionate is one of the best forms of TRT as it raises levels to the highest naturally attainable levels and mimic's the body's natural fluctuations the most.

He says you should take 50mg every other day to achieve this (150mg one week, 200mg the next). What is not clear to me is the method of delivery. Apparently taking a short-chain ester like this is super painful and the best way to mitigate this is to use an "insulin needle," heat it up (syringe only not the needle) with boiling water so all the oil actually injects and rotate injection spots.

To be honest the pain factor doesn't really put me off (might even enjoy it a bit) as much as the potential for fucking up the injection. What scares me is hitting a nerve or puncturing some artery (heard some pretty crazy stories lately). Apparently the best way to avoid this is to use a 25 gauge needle - an insulin needle? Anyone got any experience with this particular kind of test?
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Questions about test propionate 16 Oct 2017 19:08 #292708

The things you are scared of isnt just dependent on prop or insulin needles, its the same for all esters and needles.

Yes, there is a high risk of shit happening since you are injecting more frequently.

I am on week 3 of my 1st cycle.

I do cypionate 2/week and have done abs sub cutaneous, thigh sub q and thigh intramuscle.

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All my injections have given me PIP starting the day after and upto 3 days average pain.
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Questions about test propionate 16 Oct 2017 19:21 #292710

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Yeah I saw this video and forgot to comment on it haha It seems like the least squeemish place to inject just by looking at it. The bit that scares me the most is thigh shots - I have this horrible image of rupturing some vein or artery.
What is PIP?

I was going to ask about subcuteneous TRT. It seems like it is not used much compared to intramuscular. The ideal for my hamster would be to inject into the knee-skin like he did with MT2 but it doesn't seem like injecting a lot of oil there is going to do one any favours. Seems like a horrible idea actually.

What's your goals with cycling? How long will it last and are you going to do the usual clomid/Nolva PCT followed by time off or?
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Questions about test propionate 17 Oct 2017 17:09 #292763

lool really?? I would get really squeamish to inject in the chest.

PIP is post injection pain.
Sub Q abs PIP- could be due to it being my 1st couple times and the fact that I was injecting a little too much there.
Sub Q thigh - same as above.
IM thigh- it is my 2nd round of doing IM thigh and I have the same amount of PIP as before. Although idk if Im even doing IM because im using 25 gauge 5/8 inch needle. So it could barely be going into the muscle.

Goals are to gain some lean mass and have a change in my psych, to become more confident and have masculine aggression rather than being a passive bitch.

Will do my cycle till the new year, if I manage the PIP. I dont want to quit early but Ill see. Then will do like 4 weeks of HCG and then do novla as PCT.
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Questions about test propionate 20 Oct 2017 04:23 #292958

My testosterone levels were 400 and below due to Lyme disease and getting my thyroid and testosterone levels back up is essential for healing, so I've been injecting cypionate twice a week.

It's really easy, I just do it subcutaneously to the sides of my belly button and on my thighs, varying the spot each time, so one spot won't get hit for 2 weeks and even then I'm not injecting the exact same spot.

Just rub rubbing alcohol on the spot, grab the fat, inject small needle, pull out just a bit to make sure you are not pulling out any blood, inject, rub off with more rubbing alcohol. Super easy.
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Questions about test propionate 20 Oct 2017 18:13 #292989

how much are you injecting sub q?

Im injecting 0.7 ml at a time so sub q is a no no. I think my body is finally getting used to it now. PIP doesnt happen to the same degree as before.
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Questions about test propionate 21 Oct 2017 04:38 #293010

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TJgoodlooking, where on the thigh? You mean the knee cap skin? Ones hamster injected quite a few melanotan-2 shots there using an insulin syringe with ease but after a lot of reading it seems injecting sub-q test there leaves a large blob of oil which is painful and takes ages to clear. I guess that has not been your experience though right?

Regardless of whether I go on sustanon or prop it will probably be with an insulin needle (29 gauge 5/8 something like that) heated up so the oil gets in (and probably I'll need to backload with a big gauge needle as getting the oil out of the vial will be hard with an insulin needle plus the stopper blunts the needle)
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Questions about test propionate 21 Oct 2017 06:23 #293013

Knee cap skin? Not necessary. I just grab at my thigh and pull up a bit of fat (I'm not high fat percentage either) and inject it in. No problems at all.

I use a bigger gauge and pull the testosterone out (don't need to heat it up at all, although it takes a few minutes) then put a smaller needle on it and inject it.
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